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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9

    Those opposing Trump (including me) need to focus on explaining why his "policies" are hurting other Americans, not making fun of him as a shithole.

    4:49 PM - 9 Jun 2018
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    95 replies 199 retweets 893 likes
      1. New conversation
      2. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 9
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I'm so sorry you think there's any logic in white supremacy.

        2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9
        Replying to @aschleigh

        Point out where I said that? These people are going to engage in increasingly violent attacks as their lives don't get better like Trump promised. That violence will either by v PoC or Trump.

        3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      4. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 9
        Replying to @emptywheel

        " focus on explaining " implies using logic or reason , I think .

        3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9
        Replying to @aschleigh

        Fair point. Would you be happier if I said we need to start scapegoating Trump for what is coming? I don’t like that either bc it suggest he doesn’t deserve it.

        4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 9
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I don't think anything works with Trump voters, low/no understanding voters. We build a coalition of the rest of us , the 75% of society who didn't vote for him .

        5 replies 3 retweets 9 likes
      7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9
        Replying to @aschleigh

        I think there is a margin of Trump voters--certainly the Obama to Trump voters--that can be moved. If we don't move them the Trump faction will make US unlivable.

        7 replies 4 retweets 17 likes
      8. anxiousfluxion‏ @anxiousfluxion Jun 9
        Replying to @emptywheel @aschleigh

        Agree w/necessity of persuading them,flummoxed as to how to go about it.Look at studies of ex-cultists?Similar psychology at play possibly?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Aschleigh‏ @aschleigh Jun 9
        Replying to @anxiousfluxion @emptywheel

        Look at Nazis and confederates

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Robert Lamirande‏ @LamirandeRobert Jun 10
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Trying to appeal to American decency is a fool's errand, as Hillary found. We are not decent people. Must appeal only to self interest. That means health care and taxes.

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 10
        Replying to @LamirandeRobert

        I actually don't think taxes does it. We're well beyond the point where we can cut taxes w/o cutting services people value more.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Robert Lamirande‏ @LamirandeRobert Jun 10
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Sorry but what I meant was re-distribution of tax burden back to the wealthy, not further idiotic tax cuts.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 10
        Replying to @LamirandeRobert

        We agree then. Though I like to call that looting.

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      6. End of conversation
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      2. gary strauss‏ @_dziga_ Jun 9
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I wonder how much that stuff truly matters. People who vote for Trump's ilk don't pay attention to anything besides libs' tears. Think what we need to do is endlessly work to make sure people who oppose Trump vote from now until Trump is only a stain in the history books.

        2 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9
        Replying to @_dziga_

        People who vote for Trump make up a variety. Outright racists? Nope, they won't be persuaded. But some will, especially if you give them reason to resent Trump.

        6 replies 1 retweet 7 likes
      4. Greta Gabby‏ @GabbyGreta Jun 9
        Replying to @emptywheel @_dziga_

        If they haven't been persuaded by now. Daaaaaaamn. They're hopeless.

        2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      5. Radiate Systems‏ @RadiateSystems Jun 9
        Replying to @GabbyGreta @emptywheel @_dziga_

        Were u “explaining” why Obama’s policies were hurting Americans? That’s the problem with many liberals, they think their view is the correct view, the morally superior view. That’s why Trump won & that’s why he’ll most likely win again in 2020.

        4 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      6. Greta Gabby‏ @GabbyGreta Jun 9
        Replying to @RadiateSystems @emptywheel @_dziga_

        Whatever dude.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. End of conversation
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      2. jmr‏ @jmraykowski2 Jun 10
        Replying to @emptywheel

        jmr Retweeted Tom Nichols

        Not that I don't agree with you in principle, but this @RadioFreeTom pretty much makes the case.https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1005663634528309248 …

        jmr added,

        Tom NicholsVerified account @RadioFreeTom
        It's not that I disagree about policy with Trump supporters. It's that I know they don't give a shit about policy. There's no way to have a policy argument with people whose eyes are always looking up to the television for a cue from Dear Leader about what to say next. /1
        Show this thread
        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 10
        Replying to @jmraykowski2 @RadioFreeTom

        Trump's not non-falsifiable. It's that no one is trying. It's like how NBC put out NO social media piece proving Trump lied abt firing Comey bc of RU.

        0 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
      4. End of conversation
      1. New conversation
      2. James Phillips‏ @Arlecchinoswart Jun 9
        Replying to @emptywheel

        They're lying to you and stealing from you. Repeat that over and over and put all examples into one of those two categories.

        2 replies 4 retweets 8 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 9
        Replying to @Arlecchinoswart

        Bingo.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Edwin Fulford‏ @FulfordWheel Jun 9
        Replying to @emptywheel @Arlecchinoswart

        I don't think it's Bingo. McConnell, Ryan...shit, all of them on both sides have been lying and ripping people off for decades. And, the person pissing those people off is Trump...so the Deps love him. They're fated to being the boiling frogs. Energy is limited...spend it wisely!

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Edwin Fulford‏ @FulfordWheel Jun 9
        Replying to @FulfordWheel @emptywheel @Arlecchinoswart

        In other words I think the best bet is simply to tell everyone, one and all, to vote...we have the numbers!

        1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
      6. James Phillips‏ @Arlecchinoswart Jun 10
        Replying to @FulfordWheel @emptywheel

        People are going to go on television. They need a consistent message that can be repeated. This isn't the only thing to do, just one of many. This is about going on the offensive and defining the terms of the debate.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. End of conversation

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