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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 6

      The Resistance begrudging Kim Kardashian freeing a non-violent drug offender but hailing David Frum as if he's a nice fellow.

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    2. Edward Shain‏ @ems1944 Jun 6
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I’ve no idea whether Frum’s a nice guy or not, but I would infinitely prefer his company to Kim Kardashian’s. Frum, whatever his past sins, is a Never Trumper. Kardashian’s political contribution is click bait. Every Trump pardon apart from best practices. Obama DofJ nayed.

      2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. Puns N' Roses‏ @gthanku Jun 6
      Replying to @ems1944 @emptywheel

      Frum helped push for a war that killed a million people & brought about ISIS, but it's all good because he's now a born-again #Resistance.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    4. Edward Shain‏ @ems1944 Jun 7
      Replying to @gthanku @emptywheel

      No one has to love him. Trump & the current GOP is the first problem. It’s an existential deal. Frum, Kristol and a lot of other folks who are now Never Trfumpers should be accepted for what they are: necessary allies in a brutal war. Kardashian? Not so much.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 7
      Replying to @ems1944 @gthanku

      Sure. Frum can be an ally. Once he admits how his sins are necessary precursors to Trump. Until then whitewashing his crimes is part of the problem that got us Trump.

      2 replies 2 retweets 5 likes
    6. Edward Shain‏ @ems1944 Jun 7
      Replying to @emptywheel @gthanku

      1) No, it doesn’t whitewash anything, nor is there some sort of litmus test for who’s an ally or not. That’s the worst sort of ideological tomfoolery. What you’ve just said of Frum can be said - and ought to be - about every single Republican politician and voter.

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    7. Edward Shain‏ @ems1944 Jun 7
      Replying to @ems1944 @emptywheel @gthanku

      The only repentence we require of any Republican is that they vote Democratic in 2018 and 2020. Really, what the hell else should any of us want?

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 7
      Replying to @ems1944 @gthanku

      Given your logic Trump ALSO should not pay for his crimes. See the problem?

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    9. Edward Shain‏ @ems1944 Jun 7
      Replying to @emptywheel @gthanku

      1) No, because you’re the one making the logic mistake. You used the word “until,” That’s a litmus test, which would be a practical idiocy, not to mention impossibility. Feel free to indict Frum, but what’s that got to do with the price of tea in China?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 7
      Replying to @ems1944 @gthanku

      LOLOLOLOLOLOL The "until" there talks about YOUR behavior of whitewashing his crimes. Not Frum's ability to vote, quietly, Democratic. Jeebus.

      9:48 AM - 7 Jun 2018
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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 7
          Replying to @emptywheel @ems1944 @gthanku

          Look. You may be comfortable celebrating the people who gave us Trump uncritically. I find that counterproductive.

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        3. Edward Shain‏ @ems1944 Jun 7
          Replying to @emptywheel @gthanku

          2) What’s demonstrably counterproductive is turning down helpful alliances who might conceivably broaden Dem/progressive political support. I don’t give a damn if he reverts back and votes “Schmuck” in 2022. I care about 2018 and 2020. Aren’t you weary of losing yet? I am.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 7
          Replying to @ems1944 @gthanku

          Hi. You apparently have a problem with language. I've stated repeatedly he's welcome to vote Dem if he wants. So if that's your bright line bug off and go back to celebrating war criminals outside of my TL. Thanks.

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        2. Edward Shain‏ @ems1944 Jun 7
          Replying to @emptywheel @gthanku

          1) Have you lost your mind? You used to be smarter than this. “Until” was your word indicating you wouldn’t accept anything from Frum until he repents properly. That’s a litmus test. It wasn’t mine. Have you drunk crazy juce this AM?

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 7
          Replying to @ems1944 @gthanku

          Hi. Just two tweets ago I pointed out that you misread that. The until involves YOU. Not Frum. You. Bye. Until you can read we're better off me criticizing Frum and you apologizing for him outside my TL.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Edward Shain‏ @ems1944 Jun 7
          Replying to @emptywheel @gthanku

          No, you miswrote it. The “he” follows Frum. That’s the antecedant.,I didn’t misread you. If you miswrote it? OK

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        1. Edward Shain‏ @ems1944 Jun 7
          Replying to @emptywheel @gthanku

          2) Now, your position is he can vote Democratic but, God Forbid, he can’t speak out against Trump because he has no right to speak out? My position was clear: anyone willing to struggle against Trump ought to be welcomed as an ally, at least through 2018 & 2020.

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