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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 4

    Q: if Manafort gets denied bail does he lose all the property he put up?

    7:15 PM - 4 Jun 2018
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      2. Freedom Forever  🇺🇸‏ @WayneWi20770958 Jun 4
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Since #Mueller is revoking his bail, I don’t think #Manafort loses his properties put up for bail. That would only happen if he skipped bail? Maybe someone else knows for sure?

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 4
        Replying to @WayneWi20770958

        Believe that's right.

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      4. James R. Dissent‏ @JamesDissent Jun 4
        Replying to @emptywheel @WayneWi20770958

        I'm not sure of that. Isn't the entire point of the surety to guarantee not only that Manafort doesn't flee but also obeys the terms of the bail, which he most certainly did not? The surety is like a deposit to help ensure compliance. Violate bail, forfeit surety.

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      5. James R. Dissent‏ @JamesDissent Jun 4
        Replying to @JamesDissent @emptywheel @WayneWi20770958

        Thus: https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/criminal/criminal-law-basics/revoking-bail-and-forfeiting-bond.html …

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      6. James R. Dissent‏ @JamesDissent Jun 4
        Replying to @JamesDissent @emptywheel @WayneWi20770958

        "Along with bail revocation, other penalties under the Act for violating release conditions or failing to appear include bond forfeiture, fines, and additional prison time, which is tacked on to the end of any other prison time received by the defendant."

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      2. Molly Jong ☠️Fast‏Verified account @MollyJongFast Jun 4
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I’m sure Trump will help him out. Lol.

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      3. VOTE November 6th!‏ @Get_healthy14 Jun 4
        Replying to @MollyJongFast @emptywheel

        Or the RNC

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      1. hickpop‏ @hickpopp Jun 4
        Replying to @emptywheel

        He won't need it. They use cigarettes for money where he's going.

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      1. Tom Weber‏Verified account @tweber Jun 4
        Replying to @emptywheel

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      1. aw‏ @attaquer45 Jun 4
        Replying to @emptywheel @101piper

        No, only if he attempts to flee; but, seizure can still occur, so.....

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      1. JP Mann‏ @ThreeDayCondor Jun 4
        Replying to @emptywheel

        To flesh out what others have posted... the AUSAs may move to have his assets forfeited once/if the able Judge rules that he has in fact tampered with witnesses, while out on bail. [As a separate conviction essentially.] Until that happens, and the AUSAs make such a motion, no.

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      1. Tina McD5  🍀‏ @TinaMcDermott5 Jun 4
        Replying to @emptywheel @KatCapps

        Isn't that what Sessions put in place.https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sessions-signals-more-police-property-seizures-coming-from-justice-department/ …

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      2. FB is bad‏ @omnicronrho77 Jun 4
        Replying to @emptywheel

        No. That’s not how bail works.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. MacGregor‏ @m4cgr3g0r Jun 4
        Replying to @omnicronrho77 @emptywheel

        When you break the conditions of your bail, you get your bail money back?

        4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. FB is bad‏ @omnicronrho77 Jun 4
        Replying to @m4cgr3g0r @emptywheel

        No, but OP said if he gets denied bail. Breaking bail conditions is different. Then you lose it.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. MacGregor‏ @m4cgr3g0r Jun 4
        Replying to @omnicronrho77 @emptywheel

        I can guarantee that not tampering with witnesses while on bail is a condition of his bail agreement.

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      6. FB is bad‏ @omnicronrho77 Jun 4
        Replying to @m4cgr3g0r @emptywheel

        Doing some searching on this... has his bail agreement been formally approved yet, or is he still under house arrest?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. MacGregor‏ @m4cgr3g0r Jun 4
        Replying to @omnicronrho77 @emptywheel

        Mueller filed a motion to alter/repeal Manafort's bail agrmnt, based on this story. He wears ankle trackers and is on house arrest, according to his bail agrmnt in two different districts. He has an agreement but Manafort has filed for leniency, but that motion isn't complete.

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      8. MacGregor‏ @m4cgr3g0r Jun 4
        Replying to @m4cgr3g0r @omnicronrho77 @emptywheel

        I'm guessing that motion won't be approved and he will reside in jail for the foreseeable future. Property would probably be forfeit.

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      1. Themistocles' Wall‏ @themistocles_w Jun 4
        Replying to @emptywheel

        No I’m pretty sure he just goes to the pokey Unless he skips town/misses a hearing etc

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