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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 2

    emptywheel Retweeted Lawfare

    This piece makes me head hurt. The piece might be summarized, "spies spy." But Cordero can't get there, bc she doesn't think through that our spies are really just spies, and we use data for the same reasons Russia does.https://twitter.com/lawfareblog/status/1002899384948920320 …

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    LawfareVerified account @lawfareblog
    .@carriecordero asks: Are we framing the conversation about corporate data collection too narrowly? http://bit.ly/2LeDMqd 
    6:19 AM - 2 Jun 2018
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      2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 2

        But let's go back to the start. Cordero pretends--as surveillance boosters generally do--that civ lib defenders don't give a shit about private sector data. Ummm.

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 2

        The way I think of it is, "if they collect it, the spies will come," via legal process or hacks. Also note: some tech companies appear to be adopting applications used by spies for use on their customers and vice versa.

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      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 2

        Also, reading this piece, you wouldn't know that the US, like Russia, engages in influence operations (as do private companies and other foreign govts here).

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      2. Angela 'ICE is the Gestapo'  ❄️ 🗽 🎬 🍷‏ @AngelaGunn Jun 2
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Thus leading me to wonder why is lawfare publishing this?

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 2
        Replying to @AngelaGunn

        It's not offensive and for that crowd thinks new thoughts. It's just a testament, IMO, to the cognitive blinders that *many* but not all people within those circles have.

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      4. Angela 'ICE is the Gestapo'  ❄️ 🗽 🎬 🍷‏ @AngelaGunn Jun 2
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I wasn’t assuming offensive but rather that I would have expected more thinking/insight from them given what I’ve read in the past - I found your thread on it very interesting. I’m no expert on lawfare tho. Doing crim appeals I’m usually reading cases and not articles.

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      1. Vanita Bond‏ @globalwarmingx Jun 2
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I feel creepy and dirty just reading through headlines this a.m. Yes, some pieces make my head hurt, but so many are about evil corporate greed and subornation and no ethics. Must be what it was like before Rome burned.

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      1. christopher o'loughl‏ @yogarhythms Jun 2
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Cordero makes my head hurt too. Perhaps we could discuss unalienable rights within declaration of independence impinged upon through gov. metadata like collection vs corporate metadata like collection impacting franchise.

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      1. Calvus Virginicus‏ @virginicus Jun 2
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        Baby steps

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