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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 1

    Thought experiment: If Trump didn't have the Russian investigation to stage his victimhood on, what would he have used?

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      2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 1

        Follow-up thought experiment: if he were staging his victimhood on *that other thing* rather than the RU investigation, would the country be more or less healthy for it? And would the GOP be more or less likely to stay unified behind him in it?

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 1

        To answer my own thought experiment, I think it would be BLM and immigrants, even more than he is demonizing them now. That might lead some GOPers--the Jeff Flakes and maybe even Lindsey--to criticize him. But probably would do even more damage than denying RU tampering.

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      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 1

        Also note, had Trump been demonizing BLM and immigrants (especially Muslims) 24/7 like he planned, the right wing terrorism that has flourished would likely be harder to call out.

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      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 1

        I'm among those who believes 1) the Russian tampering was real--worse than people imagine but also 2) the response has at times done its own damage. But now that I'm thinking of the "victimhood opportunity cost" (™), and the focus on Russia probably has prevented other damage.

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      6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 1

        Meanwhile, RU policy is about the only area where the GOP has imposed constraints on Trump's fucking idiotic foreign policy.

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      2. Dimitri Raitzin‏ @raitzin Jun 1
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Thought experiment back at you - if you didn't have the Russia collusion story or Stormy to talk about, what would MSM/#Resistance occupy itself with? The booming economy? Defeat of ISIS? NoKo? Quick - somebody get Michael Avenatti!!

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 1
        Replying to @raitzin

        Admittedly, I do think there'd be more focus on how Trump has reneged on all the international agreements that keep us safe. I know that's not sexy to you, basic security. But that's just you, I guess.

        2 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
      4. Dimitri Raitzin‏ @raitzin Jun 1
        Replying to @emptywheel

        You mean withdrawal from the Iran deal? I must say, now that @brhodes is no longer operating the echo chamber, that would probably be seen as a positive by most, especially w Trump's negotiating approach w NoKo as contrast to Obama's negotiations w Iran.

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      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 1
        Replying to @raitzin @brhodes

        And yet "most" find such a claim batshit insane.

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      6. Dimitri Raitzin‏ @raitzin Jun 1
        Replying to @emptywheel @brhodes

        I'm glad you put "most" in quotations. For as I remember, even supporters of the deal (outside the echo-chamber) like @JeffreyGoldberg were 55/45 in favor - not exactly "batshit insane" territory. In any case, we shall see. Thanks for a civil exchange. Very rare these days :(

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      7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 1
        Replying to @raitzin @brhodes @JeffreyGoldberg

        Right. But NOW, the alternative to "no deal" is "US isolation and Iranian proliferation," which is worse than the status quo before. So Trump has delivered the worst of three options.

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      8. Dimitri Raitzin‏ @raitzin Jun 1
        Replying to @emptywheel @brhodes @JeffreyGoldberg

        2. As to Iranian proliferation, Iran continues work on missiles, spreading terrorism and trying to acquire nuclear technology. Even verification provisions, as I understand, are weak - we cannot inspect military installations, for example. Face it, Obama bought a 3-legged donkey

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      9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 1
        Replying to @raitzin @brhodes @JeffreyGoldberg

        You apparently believe what you read in partisan outlets. No, the verification provisions were not weak. Now there is far less. And in case you've noticed, Saudi Arabia is spreading more terror and also pursuing nukes.

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      2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 1
        Replying to @SjdsCeecee

        Not at all. It's real. But if it wasn't real, he would have invented something else.

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      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 1
        Replying to @SjdsCeecee

        "Sinfully entrapping people." The people with the best lawyers in this affair have, with ~4 exceptions, pled guilty.

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      6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel Jun 1
        Replying to @SjdsCeecee

        People with lawyers as good as Mike Flynn have do not get entrapped.

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