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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 29

      emptywheel Retweeted Committee to Protect Journalists

      In which I raise concerns abt the specific language targeting Wikileaks in the DNC suit.https://twitter.com/pressfreedom/status/1001493006120378373 …

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      Committee to Protect JournalistsVerified account @pressfreedom
      The @DNC's argument could be replicated by @TheJusticeDept to target an outlet like @theintercept . "If this precedent is out there, the govt would happily describe the Intercept as a co-conspirator," in the Winners or Albury leaks, @emptywheel told CPJ. https://cpj.org/blog/2018/05/by-suing-wikileaks-dnc-could-endanger-principles-o.php …
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    2. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser May 29
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Don't you think Freeman's description of "LEAKED emails" is trolling that tends to reduce one's natural sympathy his ultimate position? I think I come out where you & others do, but claims hacks = leaks & 1st Amdt doesn't distinguish bw speakers (um, freedom of the press) irk me.pic.twitter.com/YavhODzBB2

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    3. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser May 29
      Replying to @jeffhauser @emptywheel

      Basically, protecting whistleblowers and protecting hackers are not the same thing & reporters ought to encourage the former and not encourage the latter.

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 29
      Replying to @jeffhauser

      I'm not addressing either. I'm addressing protecting activities solidly defined as journalism. Your "reporters ought to" language is about norms, and I think it should be dealt with normatively, but right now tradmed has a distorted sense of their own norms.

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    5. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser May 29
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I end up where you do legally, so yeah, discussing norms. But Snowden and Manning and so many others are *whistleblowers,* and my understanding is the Panama & Paradise papers are believed to be the same.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 29
      Replying to @jeffhauser

      We have ZERO real knowledge abt Panama and Paradise. It's just that we like those leaks so we don't think too much about it. And I've got even more serious concerns abt BVI leaks.

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 29

      Agree, I think. But not sure which you're classifying as which?

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 29

      DOJ tried hard to substantiate an Assange recruit of Manning, but did not. WL's role may well have changed since. We shall see.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 29
      Replying to @emptywheel @jeffhauser

      But I agree that there should be real clarity on difference between recruited leak--especially third party--and a person choosing on their own to leak.

      9:43 AM - 29 May 2018
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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 29
          Replying to @emptywheel @jeffhauser

          One concern I specifically raised in the interview is how DOJ is using Reality Winner's access to secure drop--of the Intercept but not WaPo--as a means to incriminate her.

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        3. Avi Asher-Schapiro‏Verified account @AASchapiro May 29
          Replying to @emptywheel @jeffhauser

          Yes, and I allude to the SecureDrop issue in the opening of the piece—it's important. I think you raise important questions @jeffhauser about the distinction between leakers/hackers. Those are questions I would have liked to pose to DNC lawyers, if they had agreed to an interview

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        4. Avi Asher-Schapiro‏Verified account @AASchapiro May 29
          Replying to @AASchapiro @emptywheel @jeffhauser

          But, I think it's also important to acknowledge the role state-backed hackers are playing in the media these days. look at the Broidy stories. We want to be careful about exposing publishers to liability in those cases as well.

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        5. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser May 29
          Replying to @AASchapiro @emptywheel

          Agree re Broidy et al. Is there a point at which serving as a knowing "fence" for stolen private data starts becoming something different than publishing genuinely leaked info? And at what point do (or have) people start *actually* adding fake shit into "hacked files"?

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        6. Avi Asher-Schapiro‏Verified account @AASchapiro May 29
          Replying to @jeffhauser @emptywheel

          All great questions, no easy answers. I tried to capture that difficulty in the piece. I think what a lot what concerns people is that those lines could be drawn in the wrong place, b/c of political pressure, sloppy lawsuits, etc.

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        7. Avi Asher-Schapiro‏Verified account @AASchapiro May 29
          Replying to @AASchapiro @jeffhauser @emptywheel

          In general, I'd say that we'd want to be really careful about attaching liability to publishing true information in the public interest..No matter the motivations/activities of the sources, be they hackers/whistleblowers, etc.

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 29

          I don't think it IS obvious. My biggest complaint abt DNC suit is I don't think it sufficiently distinguishes the two, and at times shows no awareness of dangers of not doing so.

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