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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 29

    emptywheel Retweeted Committee to Protect Journalists

    In which I raise concerns abt the specific language targeting Wikileaks in the DNC suit.https://twitter.com/pressfreedom/status/1001493006120378373 …

    emptywheel added,

    Committee to Protect JournalistsVerified account @pressfreedom
    The @DNC's argument could be replicated by @TheJusticeDept to target an outlet like @theintercept . "If this precedent is out there, the govt would happily describe the Intercept as a co-conspirator," in the Winners or Albury leaks, @emptywheel told CPJ. https://cpj.org/blog/2018/05/by-suing-wikileaks-dnc-could-endanger-principles-o.php …
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      2. Connor Lynch‏ @realconnorlynch May 29
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Not sure that's a fair reading of the complaint. Alleged facts point to a more active role for Wikileaks. WL didn't just receive stolen materials; they encouraged them to be stolen in the first place and collaborated with Russian handlers to max. impact to Trump campaignpic.twitter.com/hZvZC9rTFT

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 29
        Replying to @realconnorlynch

        That second one isn't different from Panama Papers, which very few people complain about. Which is part of my point: description of WL's actions is journalism. I think we may well get proof of more, but it's not in the complaint.

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      4. Connor Lynch‏ @realconnorlynch May 29
        Replying to @emptywheel

        "Encouraging continued illegal hacking" is a pretty serious charge, and not one you could apply to any media organization. It's also just a complaint; the more telling reason this likely won't set bad precedent is that DNC didn't sue mainstream media outlets.

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      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 29
        Replying to @realconnorlynch

        Yeah, but there's no evidence to that claim. And forgive me if I find pat notions of who does and does not count as "mainstream media" entitled to the privileges of being treated as media obnoxious.

        1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
      6. Connor Lynch‏ @realconnorlynch May 29
        Replying to @emptywheel

        1. If you're reading the tea leaves from the complaint, it's not fair to disregard alleged facts and then conclude that lawyers in the future will make similar allegations without a Rule 11 basis. Also, there is *some* evidence to support the claim.

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      7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 29
        Replying to @realconnorlynch

        Eh. I'll wait for the evidence. The Russians did a great deal to give themselves (and Assange) plausible deniability. And WL probably DID get stuff fr Russians they did not publish.

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      2. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser May 29
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Don't you think Freeman's description of "LEAKED emails" is trolling that tends to reduce one's natural sympathy his ultimate position? I think I come out where you & others do, but claims hacks = leaks & 1st Amdt doesn't distinguish bw speakers (um, freedom of the press) irk me.pic.twitter.com/YavhODzBB2

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 29
        Replying to @jeffhauser

        No. For the reasons I lay out. Unless we're going to say no one can publish based off leaked emails (remember, Trump Jr had to come clean on June 9 mtg bc of leaked emails), emails are leaks.

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      1. Gold‏ @goldnnadia May 29
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Also, @pressfreedom's HQ in Milan is literally in front of the US Embassy. Now, Italy is well-known in it's press suppression and nepotism. After visiting them more than once, they are no different. CPJ is not what it used to be. For me, they have ceased to be credible long ago.

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      1. Gold‏ @goldnnadia May 29
        Replying to @emptywheel

        And to think @pressfreedom in Milan would not and still will not acknowledge the existence of Reporters Without Borders. Clean up your act CPJ if you want credibilty.

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      1. OMEGA MAN aka $warthy Greek Immigrant‏ @MonitorBroke May 29
        Replying to @emptywheel @aaronjmate

        Some nobody raises concerns but thinks she is a somebody because she has followers on social media.

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