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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 27
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      You're treating it as if it would ever be a transparent observation. It's obviously not. I'm pointing to the logic he has to use to get there.

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    2. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror May 27
      Replying to @emptywheel

      the logic he uses to get there is "it's a nefarious deep state plot. witch hunt!"

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 27
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      I get that. The whole rigged thing. But he is also saying that the rigged end point of this investigation is impeachment.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror May 27
      Replying to @emptywheel

      yes, of course he says that. that's the messaging. crooked deep state is trying to get president removed from office based on a "hoax."

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror May 27
      Replying to @empiricalerror @emptywheel

      what giuliani says has nothing to do with the reality of the investigation.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 27
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      It does, insofar as marginally more competent lawyers believed that they could win on the facts. That Emmet Flood is cool with this strategy is, itself, telling. He didn't use it w/Cheney, who was quite guilty.

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
    7. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror May 27
      Replying to @emptywheel

      for trump, his republican allies and his base, this isn't about facts, it's all about feels. and that's what the messaging targets.

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 27
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      Which is BY DEFINITION an admission this will go to a political venue for resolution -- that is, impeachment.

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    9. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror May 27
      Replying to @emptywheel

      no. it's not.

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    10. Rosatom Ulbricht 🔥‏ @screenslaver May 27
      Replying to @empiricalerror @emptywheel

      If trump & giuliani were confident the facts and law were on their side, they wouldnt be talking about public opinion and impeachment.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 27
      Replying to @screenslaver @empiricalerror

      If Flood thought Trump could win by winning in court or w/Exec tactics, he wouldn't have come on with this strategy already in motion.

      12:54 PM - 27 May 2018
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        2. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror May 27
          Replying to @emptywheel @screenslaver

          this whole argument about "winning in court" is absurd because trump will not end up in court. doj's position is that sitting president cannot be indicted and mueller is bound by that policy.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 27
          Replying to @empiricalerror @screenslaver

          Oh. 1) SOL even on some of Trump's known actions (say, 12/29/16 deferral of sanctions) runs out 5 years later, so in that case 12/29/21. 2) Trump's testimony will affect aides (POTUS and VPOTUS was crucial, eg, in Libby case), who will end up in court.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 27
          Replying to @emptywheel @empiricalerror @screenslaver

          3) Naming Trump a co-conspirator may lead him to end up in court, via any of several means.

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        5. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror May 27
          Replying to @emptywheel @screenslaver

          okay, lol

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        6. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror May 27
          Replying to @empiricalerror @emptywheel @screenslaver

          > 1) SOL even on some of Trump's known actions (say, 12/29/16 deferral of sanctions) runs out 5 years later, so in that case 12/29/21. what's the crime? under which law? flood, whom you base your arguments on, works for the white house, so anything after trump's...

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 27
          Replying to @empiricalerror @screenslaver

          I've written a shit-ton about this. Refer to my posts, which numerous American lawyers have not only agreed with in principle but borrowed from.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror May 27
          Replying to @emptywheel @screenslaver

          okay, marcy. thanks.

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel May 27
          Replying to @empiricalerror @screenslaver

          Do you need links to the numerous posts I've written about ConFraudUs? Hell, given that Trump gave more than bribery, he'd even reverse the trend there.

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        2. Rick Petree‏ @RickPetree May 27
          Replying to @emptywheel @screenslaver @empiricalerror

          Which REALLY makes me wonder abt Flood's decision to sign on. If he knew, going in, that the fight would be in the 'court of public opinion' (spin wars, #liegate vs. #spygate, etc.), rather than the real courts, he had to know it would be reputational suicide. What gives ?

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        3. Harry Godwyn‏ @harrygod May 27
          Replying to @RickPetree @emptywheel and

          My only guess is McGahn knows indictments of Ivanka, Jared and Don Jr are immanent and recruited him at the behest of the Pence camp to handle whatever happens when Trump explodes. He's not there for Trump. Or they know Pence is going too and it's going to get even more complex

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        4. Rick Petree‏ @RickPetree May 27
          Replying to @harrygod @emptywheel and

          Agree Flood came on for some larger, endgame purpose. I thought it might be to replace McGahn, who may anticipate that he'll be embroiled, or simply wants out. But Marcy's point is that Flood came in knowing he'd be rolling in the mud pits, rather than fighting in court.+

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        5. Harry Godwyn‏ @harrygod May 27
          Replying to @RickPetree @emptywheel and

          I believe he came in after the Cohen raid. That will probably in hindsight be seen as the moment many realized it was over. McGahn picked up from Trump's reaction that the whole family was done. Flood won't do spin, he'll negotiate transition of power. Historic or ...

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        6. Harry Godwyn‏ @harrygod May 27
          Replying to @harrygod @RickPetree and

          *very* bad choice - or both. Can't see how anyone on that side of the table survives this with an ounce of honor intact. Doenitz doesn't really go down in history as a hero.

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