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    1. Emanuil‏ @emanuil_tolev 17 Jun 2018
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      Right, so. Many companies do not sell open source software - they sell services around it or other software. I'm sure you're well familiar with this though. You're making the arg that MS' time/money support doesn't count bc you don't see OSS as part of their core business, right?https://twitter.com/k3170Makan/status/1008371524951158790 …

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      I would think evidence of open source support would be to sell billions of dollars of open and free software, but that's not what MS is doing.
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    2. 0x616‏ @k3170Makan 17 Jun 2018
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      But their core business is selling billiona of dollars of NON-open software. Clearly this must have a microscopic pertubation on being able to talk about how effective their open source support efforts are lol

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    3. Emanuil‏ @emanuil_tolev 17 Jun 2018
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      It's not is most companies' core business to give money or vehicles to local sports, chess, swimming etc. teams. Yet we call it "support" when they do.

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    4. Emanuil‏ @emanuil_tolev 17 Jun 2018
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      I'm not sure which part of MS' enormous portfolio we're talking about here. If Windows, Office etc desktop software then yes, vast majority is AFAIK not open. This is not necessary for OSS to be a significant business interest to them though.

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    5. Emanuil‏ @emanuil_tolev 17 Jun 2018
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      Finally, there is the recent assertion that Azure *is* making OSS a big business priority for MS. We'll see how that one plays out. It is true that cloud infra runs on a lot of OSS and hosts a lot of it too - the web software ecosystem is quite open.

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    6. 0x616‏ @k3170Makan 17 Jun 2018
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      But critically speaking here you do still agree there is absolutely nothing but completely empty sayings about their support as it stands they still need to show evidence for this "great" support lol

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      Emanuil‏ @emanuil_tolev 17 Jun 2018
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      It's not nothing: it's real time and cash for OSS. The tweet that started this was an employee literally saying she works on OSS on MS time with their blessing. Time also = Typescript, all of VSCode IDE... They've given money too, e.g. Linux Foundation Plat member, many events...

      9:12 AM - 17 Jun 2018
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        2. 0x616‏ @k3170Makan 17 Jun 2018
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          So we should be thankful to our overlords is what you are saying?

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        3. Emanuil‏ @emanuil_tolev 17 Jun 2018
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          I think you're taking this to an extreme. While that is sometimes helpful, I can't see the benefit of saying "Microsoft do not support OSS unless they change everything and OSS *all* their major software". They can support without going that far, many smaller orgs do.

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        2. 0x616‏ @k3170Makan 17 Jun 2018
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          The real time cash is in how much closed source software they are selling while being able to support the Linux foundation. It's like shut up money basically.

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        3. Emanuil‏ @emanuil_tolev 17 Jun 2018
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          Does it only "count" when a company is able to survive by solely making OSS? You seem smart enough to know what'd happen if they really opened everything & cancelled licences tmrw without a biz change process. Which is apparently ongoing. (Their shareholders would destroy them.)

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