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This is eminently fair.

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May 20, 2018

18/So if social conservative men want to stop freaking people out, they should: A) be more concrete about the changes they'd like to see, and B) be more explicit that they DON'T view women and women's sexuality as commodities to be allocated to men. (end)

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Nah. I think the first half "but monogamy *is* prominent" makes for a good reply/discussion. (Except it doesn't acknowledge/address/ask why SoCons think monogamy is out of fashion).

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The second half reads like "SoCon said something which doesn't make sense from my perspective; maybe they mean they want Bad Things. So it's okay to panic/FUD it."

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Part of the context of observation of "monogamy is cool" is as one solution to problems which arise from large number of low status males.

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I think the problem is the choice of words. If you want to convince people, the onus on you to word things in a way that doesn’t make your job harder. “Enforced monogamy” makes their jobs harder.

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(I am aware of the nuances of Peterson’s argument. Yes, monogamy may have arisen due to these social pressures. Yuval Harari has phrased this as “patriarchy is surprisingly stable when considered across history and all cultures”. But that’s not what I’m arguing.)

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I think you can point to "choice of words" in this case, but there's always going to be some thing to point to. I'd be willing to bet that progs see the same "double standards" in cases.

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Yeah, which explains why I said Noah’s tweet to be eminently fair. I think it’s a legitimate criticism, especially considering how horribly bad the phrase “enforced monogamy” is, and how unnecessary. (Also, not a technical word in anthropology, as far as I can tell.)

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> which is why it's fair ;-) I wish the bar Social Conservatives have to reach to be heard was as high for others. By "there's always going to be something", it means that SoCons can always be disregarded by Progs because they're not Progs.

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