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This is eminently fair.

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May 20, 2018

18/So if social conservative men want to stop freaking people out, they should: A) be more concrete about the changes they'd like to see, and B) be more explicit that they DON'T view women and women's sexuality as commodities to be allocated to men. (end)

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Nah. I think the first half "but monogamy *is* prominent" makes for a good reply/discussion. (Except it doesn't acknowledge/address/ask why SoCons think monogamy is out of fashion).

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The second half reads like "SoCon said something which doesn't make sense from my perspective; maybe they mean they want Bad Things. So it's okay to panic/FUD it."

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Part of the context of observation of "monogamy is cool" is as one solution to problems which arise from large number of low status males.

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I think the problem is the choice of words. If you want to convince people, the onus on you to word things in a way that doesn’t make your job harder. “Enforced monogamy” makes their jobs harder.

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(I am aware of the nuances of Peterson’s argument. Yes, monogamy may have arisen due to these social pressures. Yuval Harari has phrased this as “patriarchy is surprisingly stable when considered across history and all cultures”. But that’s not what I’m arguing.)

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Interestingly, I think "patriarchy" would be a useful concept here.. e.g. "patriarchy" models this "low status male" point.

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To be fair, this usage of the word is a small sideshow. I'm disgusted with the nytimes's hit piece on Peterson.

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> small sideshow YES! And so then all the following discussion goes into discussing the usage of the term rather than in discussing the idea. Incidentally, this does make JBP look calm/rational, and his opponents idiots, so.

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Something something, Trump's "shithole" and "animals" comments.