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    1. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 14

      The other thing I did this weekend was listen to @mikeduncan's series on the 1848 revolutions. They're very good. Two salient lessons: 1. A lot of our "freedoms" fell out of an extremely illiberal past, and understanding the political utility of those freedoms . . .

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    2. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 14

      maybe requires the illiberal context of their establishment 2. This was a fantastic case study in preference cascades and coordination problems by liberals and radicals, and struggles by conservatives to stymie cascades. Listen after reading @timurkuran'shttps://www.amazon.com/dp/0674707583/ 

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    3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 16

      Still mulling this stuff over. What's remarkable about 1848 is how intelligible the politics are. Like--maybe it was the first time today's Western political factions erupted in conflict. Radicals, liberals, conservatives.

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    4. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 16

      Some thoughts on those factions. It seems like the conservatives have had the worst of it since 1848. Chalk it up to WWI, and the fact that conservatives were--I guess just quasi-medieval. Their right-authoritarian successors haven't ever managed to recapture . . .

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    5. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 16

      the same nigh-impregnable political heights of the old kings and aristos, and my tentative hunch is to classify people like Mussolini and Hitler with the radicals. ("National socialism" is a good summary of the demands of 1848 radicals, in fact!)

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    6. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 16

      Conservatives in places like the United States are basically just especially order-focused liberals. Which is unsurprising, because it sure looks like liberalism ate the world. The bourgeois didn't complete their takeover of the political world in 1848 but the trend . . .

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      masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 16

      has been toward a near-total victory in the West. Liberals wanted, basically, constitutional government; civil order; and strong protections for personal property. These are the norms everywhere in the West, and frequently abroad. The norms are so strong . . .

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        2. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 16

          that even governments and societies that ignore them feel obliged to at least adopt the appearance. For example, consider the following: NORTH KOREA HAS A CONSTITUTION AND CALLS ITSELF A REPUBLIC North Korea is obviously a hereditary authoritarian dictatorship, and . . .

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        3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 16

          it's not even Western! But it still keeps up with the formal, universally-accepted way of establishing *legitimacy*, which today is having a constitution and being a republic.

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        4. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 16

          This is directly analogous to (in days past) fabricating a pedigree for your "king" stretching back to Troy, or perhaps direct descent from Adam or from the Gods themselves.

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        5. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 16

          obligatory I guesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE …

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        6. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 16

          Anyway, the liberal victory is complete, and the old conservatism is probably utterly spent as a political force. What of the radicals? Being a radical in 1848 probably meant you wanted some combination of (i) national self-determination, (ii) economic redistribution, and

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        7. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 16

          (iii) big-D Democracy, as in: universal male suffrage, or something like it. (i) was mostly achieved (badly) during the World Wars, although it still perhaps animates radical left ideas about Colonialism and radical right ideas about cultural purity maybe

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        8. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 16

          (iii) is the norm everywhere that has a de facto republican government. So, maybe a good narrative is this: The 1848 liberals won broadly. Conservatism was ultimately crushed. What we have today are ongoing skirmishes between liberals and radicals, the latter . . .

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        9. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 16

          being split left and right, where the left cares about the 1848 radical preoccupation with economic redistribution, and the right cares about 1848 radical preoccupation with nationalism. Hmmmm. (?????) Anyway back to work, thanks for reading my incipient model.

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