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    1.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann May 14

      With gender and race and probably other stuff we have this bizarre double system of biology and culture that we talk about using the same words.

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    2. ɐɯıs uǝq‏ @bensima May 14
      Replying to @sonyaellenmann

      I thought de Beauvoir closed the book on that when she made the distinction between sex and gender in _The Second Sex_. Gender is societal, sex is biological. https://programaddssrr.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sex-and-gender-in-simone-de-beauvoirs-second-sex.pdf … (And race is an invented category that's not very useful)

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann May 14
      Replying to @bensima

      You can't put a Chinese person next to, like, a Mexican and tell me there is zero biological difference. That's transparently ridiculous. The difference does not map perfectly to the sociocultural construct of race that's layered on top, and that's the problem I'm pointing to

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    4. ɐɯıs uǝq‏ @bensima May 14
      Replying to @sonyaellenmann

      Chinese and Mexican are ancestral/genetic categories, not racial categories. Race is like black, white/caucasian which tells us much less info than "East African American" or "British" or "Eastern European".

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    5.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann May 14
      Replying to @bensima

      Chinese and Mexican were "example of an Asian person and example of a Latino person," Nigerian and German would work equally well. The point is that, like you said, there's a genetic thing happening there which is being socially interpreted in a variety of ways, but that doesn't

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    6.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann May 14
      Replying to @sonyaellenmann @bensima

      mean the genetic thing isn't existent

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    7. ɐɯıs uǝq‏ @bensima May 14
      Replying to @sonyaellenmann

      Right, genetics exists as a biological category, is useful for predicting things about people. Race is an invented social category, does not usefully predict things about people.

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    8.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann May 14
      Replying to @bensima

      > Race is an invented social category, does not usefully predict things about people. The social category part is true, but it actually is predictive

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    9. ɐɯıs uǝq‏ @bensima May 14
      Replying to @sonyaellenmann

      Somewhat predictive maybe, but genetics is much much more useful, so why not just use genetics/ancestry?

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      masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot May 14
      Replying to @bensima @sonyaellenmann

      i can't tell any more because drugs and Vidya is there an actual material disagreement or is this a subtle status dance :)

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        1.  🤖 Sonya Mann  🎀‏Verified account @sonyaellenmann May 14
          Replying to @eigenrobot @bensima

          I don't know honestly

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        1. Chris Allen ΧΡ ( 👻, SC, LP &  🏴)‏ @bitemyapp May 14
          Replying to @eigenrobot @bensima @sonyaellenmann

          >i don't know >why are we even greentexting on a website that can't greentext >this seems like a waste of time

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        1. ɐɯıs uǝq‏ @bensima May 14
          Replying to @eigenrobot @sonyaellenmann

          it is a subtle point, but not everyone has thought it through. I think Sonya would agree with what i'm saying if we went through the logic, which is what i was trying to do

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