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    1. Dan listens to Grandpa Irvie's poetry‏ @danlistensto 27 Apr 2018
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      oh my. you can't just tell atheists about the atheism egregore. not without a mop handy, anyway.

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    2. Szymon Majewski‏ @sjm_majewski 27 Apr 2018
      Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot

      Still, the way Peterson uses language here is nonsensical. Atheist are still humans, and therfore "religious creatures" in the broad sense, but to say that you can't be an atheist because of that is stupid provocative semantics.

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    3. Dan listens to Grandpa Irvie's poetry‏ @danlistensto 27 Apr 2018
      Replying to @sjm_majewski @eigenrobot

      I'm willing to forgive his stretching of conventional semantics here. Atheism in the 21st century is definitely a kind of theism. It's a reaction against theistic institutions and beliefs. It's not an alternative to theism. It should really be labeled anti-theism.

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    4. Szymon Majewski‏ @sjm_majewski 27 Apr 2018
      Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot

      I think I know what you're getting at. Still I prefer terms like "ideology" to terms like "religion" or "theism" to describe the kind of political atheism that comes with a worldview ontology and morality. IMHO The distinction between supernatural and secular is worth preserving.

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    5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Apr 2018
      Replying to @sjm_majewski @danlistensto

      Maybe disagreement over whether political is actually sacral to participants? Consider eg Roman entanglement of the two Consider our rituals (State of the Union, elections, Supreme Court priesthood, etc)

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    6. Szymon Majewski‏ @sjm_majewski 27 Apr 2018
      Replying to @eigenrobot @danlistensto

      Yeah, In all of our "rituals" there is still no supernatural involved. I don't think it's an unclear distinction.

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    7. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Apr 2018
      Replying to @sjm_majewski @danlistensto

      supernatural as divine ordinance vs supernatural as "things I don't actually believe are happening" ? "I believe in the system" "I believe in the rule of law" "I believe in markets" magic is just another system?

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    8. Szymon Majewski‏ @sjm_majewski 27 Apr 2018
      Replying to @eigenrobot @danlistensto

      Well, for starters we can put under the label of supernatural non-material (or material but nonexisting) agents. I just generally worry about equivocating too much when it comes to this sort of bird-eye view metaphors.

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    9. Szymon Majewski‏ @sjm_majewski 27 Apr 2018
      Replying to @sjm_majewski @eigenrobot @danlistensto

      For example - one can argue that "science is a social construct" and so is almost everything else. For specific defs of soc construct it's hard to disagree, but it's also hard to not want mention that science differs in important ways.

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    10. Dan listens to Grandpa Irvie's poetry‏ @danlistensto 27 Apr 2018
      Replying to @sjm_majewski @eigenrobot

      the scientific method (what scientists practice) is a social system (not construct, system) but science has as its domain of inquiry the material world so scientific findings are about matter and we don't have this sort of confusion in that domain

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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Apr 2018
      Replying to @danlistensto @sjm_majewski

      I'm not sure that's entirely true We make predictions about social systems too And there's a lot of faith about the generalizability of our predictions 😬

      11:47 AM - 27 Apr 2018
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        2. Szymon Majewski‏ @sjm_majewski 27 Apr 2018
          Replying to @eigenrobot @danlistensto

          Honestly, I just meant that when grouping things together, even if the grouping points to something interesting and important it can also blur another important distinction - and that's what I think happens when we call secular meaning-making frameworks religions.

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        3. Szymon Majewski‏ @sjm_majewski 27 Apr 2018
          Replying to @sjm_majewski @eigenrobot @danlistensto

          By the way, we could use a good term for meaning-making-framwork, that does not have negative connotations (like ideology) or supernatural-ritual connotations (like religion). I'm out of ideas though.

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