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    1. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Apr 27
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      oh my. you can't just tell atheists about the atheism egregore. not without a mop handy, anyway.

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    2. Brewingsense‏ @brewingsense Apr 27
      Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot

      Still, the way Peterson uses language here is nonsensical. Atheist are still humans, and therfore "religious creatures" in the broad sense, but to say that you can't be an atheist because of that is stupid provocative semantics.

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    3. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Apr 27
      Replying to @brewingsense @eigenrobot

      I'm willing to forgive his stretching of conventional semantics here. Atheism in the 21st century is definitely a kind of theism. It's a reaction against theistic institutions and beliefs. It's not an alternative to theism. It should really be labeled anti-theism.

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    4. Brewingsense‏ @brewingsense Apr 27
      Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot

      I think I know what you're getting at. Still I prefer terms like "ideology" to terms like "religion" or "theism" to describe the kind of political atheism that comes with a worldview ontology and morality. IMHO The distinction between supernatural and secular is worth preserving.

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    5. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Apr 27
      Replying to @brewingsense @danlistensto

      Maybe disagreement over whether political is actually sacral to participants? Consider eg Roman entanglement of the two Consider our rituals (State of the Union, elections, Supreme Court priesthood, etc)

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    6. Brewingsense‏ @brewingsense Apr 27
      Replying to @eigenrobot @danlistensto

      Yeah, In all of our "rituals" there is still no supernatural involved. I don't think it's an unclear distinction.

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    7. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Apr 27
      Replying to @brewingsense @danlistensto

      supernatural as divine ordinance vs supernatural as "things I don't actually believe are happening" ? "I believe in the system" "I believe in the rule of law" "I believe in markets" magic is just another system?

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    8. Brewingsense‏ @brewingsense Apr 27
      Replying to @eigenrobot @danlistensto

      Well, for starters we can put under the label of supernatural non-material (or material but nonexisting) agents. I just generally worry about equivocating too much when it comes to this sort of bird-eye view metaphors.

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    9. Brewingsense‏ @brewingsense Apr 27
      Replying to @brewingsense @eigenrobot @danlistensto

      For example - one can argue that "science is a social construct" and so is almost everything else. For specific defs of soc construct it's hard to disagree, but it's also hard to not want mention that science differs in important ways.

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    10. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Apr 27
      Replying to @brewingsense @eigenrobot

      the scientific method (what scientists practice) is a social system (not construct, system) but science has as its domain of inquiry the material world so scientific findings are about matter and we don't have this sort of confusion in that domain

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      masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Apr 27
      Replying to @danlistensto

      I'm not sure that's entirely true We make predictions about social systems too And there's a lot of faith about the generalizability of our predictions 😬

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        2. Brewingsense‏ @brewingsense Apr 27
          Replying to @eigenrobot @danlistensto

          Honestly, I just meant that when grouping things together, even if the grouping points to something interesting and important it can also blur another important distinction - and that's what I think happens when we call secular meaning-making frameworks religions.

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        3. Brewingsense‏ @brewingsense Apr 27
          Replying to @brewingsense @eigenrobot @danlistensto

          By the way, we could use a good term for meaning-making-framwork, that does not have negative connotations (like ideology) or supernatural-ritual connotations (like religion). I'm out of ideas though.

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        4. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Apr 27
          Replying to @brewingsense @eigenrobot

          metaphor

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        5. Brewingsense‏ @brewingsense Apr 27
          Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot

          That's not what I have in mind - metaphor is more like a meaning-making tool - you use one metaphor to get one meaning across. I mean something like an ideological background, a lens, a meaning making ecosystem.

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        6. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Apr 27
          Replying to @brewingsense @eigenrobot

          right, I see what you're getting at. what is the system that produces and distributes metaphors? I would use the word "culture", but that is probably too broad. The term might be too in-group or esoteric, but memetosphere has some appeal to me as an ecological model.

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