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    1. Autumnal Misha‏ @drethelin Apr 23

      A lot of social advice amounts to “round problems down”. Live and let live, turn the other cheek, don’t take things personally, etc. If you avoid escalation, you avoid destructive feedback loops. The concept of microaggressions as endorsed by the modern left does the opposite.

      6 replies 25 retweets 131 likes
    2. Utility Monster Girl‏ @Tipsycaek Apr 24
      Replying to @drethelin

      hard disagree. being aware of the microaggression pattern allows you to avoid wearing down those around you (which inevitably leads to escalation)

      4 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Apr 24
      Replying to @Tipsycaek @drethelin

      a full dignity culture take on microaggressions would be (i) be aware and try not to throw them, (ii) if recipient don't escalate I think we used to have both of these norms

      3 replies 1 retweet 18 likes
    4. Utility Monster Girl‏ @Tipsycaek Apr 24
      Replying to @eigenrobot @drethelin

      we still have both these norms, and most people follow them. the problem is that we have it for things like "dont talk about how wealthy you are in front of poor people" but theres a lack of awareness of "dont ask asian americans where theyre 'really from'"

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    5. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Apr 24
      Replying to @Tipsycaek @drethelin

      I'm not sure this lack of awareness is super widespread, and where it is its been pilloried as backward since at least the 90s see King of the Hill, the boys meeting Kahn for the first time or similar comedy about white people trying way too hard to be nice to black people

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Utility Monster Girl‏ @Tipsycaek Apr 24
      Replying to @eigenrobot @drethelin

      idk man try asking some black people how widespread that issue still is

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Apr 24
      Replying to @Tipsycaek @drethelin

      tipsy

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    8. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Apr 24
      Replying to @eigenrobot @Tipsycaek @drethelin

      if you like, here's survey data 11% of blacks report "regularly" being treated badly on account of race (many more, 60%, "occasionally") interpretation from an inchoate agent model: ill-treatment is more exceptional / concentrated than a general rulehttp://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/06/27/5-personal-experiences-with-discrimination/ …

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Utility Monster Girl‏ @Tipsycaek Apr 24
      Replying to @eigenrobot @drethelin

      this is an absurd thing to go to surveys for. read what people say about their experiences.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Apr 24
      Replying to @Tipsycaek @drethelin

      which people tho? shall I take ta-nehisi coates as representative, or john mcwhorter? etc if you want something to get information for this particular question about a distribution of experiences, you're probably not going to beat a survey

      12:51 PM - 24 Apr 2018
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        2. Utility Monster Girl‏ @Tipsycaek Apr 24
          Replying to @eigenrobot @drethelin

          whoever says they experienced it! or whoever you're talking to! what??

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Apr 24
          Replying to @Tipsycaek @drethelin

          "do bad things happen ever" vs "how prevalent are bad things"

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Utility Monster Girl‏ @Tipsycaek Apr 24
          Replying to @eigenrobot @drethelin

          i feel like we're having completely different conversations

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Daniel Klein‏ @othercriteria Apr 24
          Replying to @Tipsycaek @eigenrobot @drethelin

          Yes! Neither @drethelin's initial point nor @tipsycaek's counter-argument depend on prevalence.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Apr 24
          Replying to @othercriteria @Tipsycaek @drethelin

          later points do thankpic.twitter.com/YJsDyG2LjR

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. Daniel Klein‏ @othercriteria Apr 24
          Replying to @eigenrobot @Tipsycaek @drethelin

          The wearing / weathering / cumulative exposure models count (micro-)aggressions. It shouldn't matter who they come from and why.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. |||||‏ @insurrealist Apr 24
          Replying to @othercriteria @eigenrobot and

          woah I didn't know infinitesimagression calculus was an actual thing.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Daniel Klein‏ @othercriteria Apr 24
          Replying to @insurrealist @eigenrobot and

          My actual hunch is that there’s hormesis, but I don’t think that study’s getting by any IRB.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
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