Because I want you to read the piece. It isn’t just that the derivative is different; it’s an unestimable function of the whole environment space which can go all over the place.
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Replying to @bechhof @eigenrobot
We should get back to the central point here; there is far too little evidence available to determine whether anything related to both race and socialization is genetic or social. But everyone reasserts their prior instead of saying "OK, we have no real answer based on the data."
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Replying to @davidmanheim @bechhof
I agree with you about the general point, but I suspect you're making an incorrect assumption about my priors. The main territory I'm interested in is the possibility of getting to a valid causal interpretation of generic complex phenotypic outcomes predicted nicely by genotype.
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Replying to @eigenrobot @bechhof
Nathaniel correctly points out that it's irresponsible to make causal inferences - especially for policy - based on that ability to predict. So either you're talking past one another, or I'm misunderstanding something.
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And when you say you don't care about policy, you're saying there is no practical implication of this for anyone's decision-making? Or are you saying that whatever practical implication it has isn't something that you consider policy-relevant?
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Replying to @davidmanheim @bechhof
This is really uncharacteristic of you. What's going on?
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Replying to @eigenrobot @bechhof
Uncharacteristic? Treating weak and useless evidence as useful is a pet peeve - https://medium.com/@davidmanheim/the-good-the-bad-and-the-appropriately-under-powered-82c335652930 … And causality for decisions and the difficulty of decisionmaking via causal inferences is a hobby horse of mine as well.
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Replying to @davidmanheim @bechhof
no I mean the bit about assuming your interlocutors hold the weakest or most odious version of arguments that might be associated with their explicit statements
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Replying to @eigenrobot @bechhof
Fair. But I'm frustrated that people are holding on to a claim that is unrelated to evidence in a discussion that started with policy relevance - otherwise, why is the claim that the difference is immutable? (This point was discussed extensively in the original article.)
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my actual view: we're talking about gaining mastery over the stuff of life and you're worried about short-term policy? on our current trajectory, by the end of the century none of that extremely boring tribal stuff is going to matter
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Replying to @eigenrobot @bechhof
I'm worried about long term policy, but I think this debate illustrates why we can't have nice things.
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