The whole thing is made worse by lack of cultural context on Vice's side, and by Naomi flipping to hostile mode. Again, I completely get why she's upset + scared and don't blame her. But it made Vice less inclined to cooperate.
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Replying to @sonyaellenmann @hikikomorphism and
Regardless of the original issue, the retaliatory attack on her Patreon seems indefensible given what's currently known -- it's nothing to do with the original issue but a direct expression of malice.
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Replying to @sonyaellenmann @palecur and
I usually agree with you, Sonya, and really disagree here, so would like to understand your position. She dox'd a Vice writer, including sending him an email asking him to confirm his children didn't live there. This is plainly against Patreon ToS. They shut her down. Why is bad?
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Replying to @a_just_john @sonyaellenmann and
OK can you clear something up? Why is asking him first, giving him a chance respond and have a dialog, then trying to make sure no one else is there *worse* than just posting the info? Just posting it would have just been revenge, and much more dangerous because no notification.
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Replying to @RealSexyCyborg @a_just_john and
it confirms your knowledge that doxing is malicious and exposes the target to risk, and therefore preemptively disables the excuse that you didn't know the scale and scope of the action.
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Replying to @palecur @a_just_john and
That's not really and answer though. Yes doxxing a smug White dude is worse then him trying to get a Chinese girl SWATed because of in-group bias, you can understand and relate to one risk more than the other. But why is notification worse?
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Replying to @RealSexyCyborg @a_just_john and
because threatening harm and then doing harm are two separate wrongs, and trying to cloak it in a neutral term like "notification" doesn't make it any less of a threat.
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Replying to @palecur @a_just_john and
So, it was wrong to ask him first? Even though it's far safer? Asking about kids is no threat, that's obscene.
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Replying to @RealSexyCyborg @a_just_john and
"I'm gonna blow up your house, hope there aren't any kids there" shows concern for kids and means blowing up the house is actually responsible and good, cool, that's handy to know
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