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    masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 28

    masquerobot Retweeted Jeet Heer

    IM GLAD YOU ASKED JEEThttps://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/978814404379553792 …

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    Jeet HeerVerified account @HeerJeet
    Replying to @mattyglesias
    In what meaningful ways can existing actual IQ science help public policy? If it can't, there's no reason for most liberals or non-scientists to care.
    6:30 AM - 28 Mar 2018
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      2. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Mar 28
        Replying to @eigenrobot

        at this point they've successfully controlled the discourse and should probably ALSO just stfu because now it's just boring. I do wonder what it takes to get this to be permissible to discuss though. Certainly we have to not be in the middle of a moral panic. What else?

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      3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 28
        Replying to @danlistensto

        I just don't see "discussion" happening in the US. Probably what happens is people continue to act in the private lives as if IQ were a useful predictor, and deny it publicly + through policy choices. Pure preference falsification. Maybe something with China or CRISPR-like tech

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      4. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Mar 28
        Replying to @eigenrobot

        so in other words, the moral panic has to end. the preference falsifications needed to avoid being slandered as "racist" have to stop. again, what causes the moral panic to end? at minimum Trump needs to be gone. what else?

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      5. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 28
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        I don't think it's just a panic though. The Bell Curve was published in 1994 and got the same response it would have today. My squishy guess/model is that a taboo on discussing persistent group differences is an implicit-but-central part of our post Civil Rights Era detente.

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      6. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 28
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        Or, possibly part of a larger postwar consensus taboo against things like "race science" and eugenics policy. "Discussion" may be less a matter of waiting for a panic to die and more waiting for a generation with a particular set of memories and experiences to pass, siecle-style

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      7. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 28
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        And I'm not honestly sure that discussion would make people better off net. Devil's advocate: intellectually dishonest diversity efforts might be some kind second- or third-best outcome, some kind of Cowen-esque creative ambiguity that lets us keep civil conflict at bay . . .

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      8. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 28
        Replying to @eigenrobot @danlistensto

        . . . until a better solution presents itself. I don't believe any of this strongly but my gut at least is that there are lots of tacit compromises at work, and we'll never know quite what they are because part of the truce is that you don't talk openly about the truce.

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      9. Dan Garfield‏ @danlistensto Mar 28
        Replying to @eigenrobot

        so in other words you have to be actually John McWhorter to even discuss it, and even then it's tricky

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      2. Bob‏ @SkepticalAlpaca Mar 28
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        Say what you want about the messenger, but I think it is a good question.

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      3. masquerobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 28
        Replying to @SkepticalAlpaca

        Me too! Genuinely.

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