Yeah, I still think it's true, although I'd assign lower certainty. (And my certainty in the first place isn't 100%.) But that's not the totality of my reasoning, I also have libertarian-ish deontological concerns. (I didn't get into that aspect with @arjunxkapoor.) Basically...
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Replying to @sonyaellenmann @WAWilsonIV
...you can't obtain a child's consent for creating it, and I think that's fucked up, to bring someone into existence without their permission, especially since you're risking subjecting them to schizophrenia or chronic autoimmune pain or any of the other horrible conditions
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I think
@The_Lagrangian has noted cloning yourself is a workaround to this objection.2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes -
That is a really interesting point. I guess you'd know whether you'd want to be cloned? Hmm
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Replying to @sonyaellenmann @othercriteria and
Hmmm accept that arguendo, then spose you have two potential parents who are quite happy with their lives Does this also work around AN?
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Replying to @eigenrobot @othercriteria and
IMO no, the results are too unpredictable
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Replying to @sonyaellenmann @othercriteria and
So maybe the issue is reduced to propensity to suffer *in expectation,* and your threshold for ethical reproduction is just relatively high? (??)
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Replying to @eigenrobot @othercriteria and
Yesssss but it's a combination, the deontological side (put simply, it violates the NAP to create life) is also important to me
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Replying to @sonyaellenmann @eigenrobot and
What do you get if you combine the ethics of Sonya here and Robin Hanson? Gamma radiation?
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heh I think Robin Hanson is at odds with Sonya actually http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/12/shoo-libertarian-trolls.html …
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Replying to @eigenrobot @sonyaellenmann and
Yes, Robin Hanson thinks it'd be Extremely Good to have trillions of emulated humans working in slave-like conditions, because the marginal value of each is still positive. The joke is that his ethics and Sonya's have a physical reaction like antimatter and matter.
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