When I force myself to be honest, it's not really about science. It's about consent. But in these conversations, when skeptics say "show me the science," how do we -- how can I -- scientifically demonstrate the value of consent? /9
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But I never, ever see "show me the science" on rape. When people say "rape is bad" -- which, obviously, is true -- I don't see skeptics say "show me the science." /10
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So I guess my question is: how do we convince people that the value of consent is either 1) scientifically demonstrable or, failing that, 2) so evident and important that it supersedes science? /end
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Replying to @JillianKeenan
OK, I'll bite. Some things are beyond science's reach. Consent and its place in our culture is a moral value, not a scientific one.
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Replying to @Hal_RTFLC @JillianKeenan
Let's say, for example, that science proved that beating children was beneficial. One could still oppose it on moral grounds. "OK, it works, but it's still wrong!"
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Replying to @Hal_RTFLC
Ah! I like this point -very- much. Slavery -- another consent violation -- doesn't require science to prove its moral turpitude.
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Replying to @JillianKeenan
Exactly. There's evidence that slave societies do worse than free societies, economically. But I would rank that about 47th on the reasons to oppose slavery.
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Replying to @Hal_RTFLC @JillianKeenan
I think this is the correct answer there are cases where violating someone's consent might be the correct thing to do (vaccinations) but the burden should be on the person who wants to violate consent to show that the value of that violation is huge, and the practical cost small
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/4 For good reasons, we don't trust them to consent to to such things. Talking about "consent" in the context of kids, kinda isn't likely to convince anyone.
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True enough. If it were up to my son, the only things he'd consent to is chocolate for breakfast and watching PJ Masks until 2 am.
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it is a bit tricky formulating a generalizable distinction between consent violations for running a functional household and consent violations like, say, the kind involved in FGM
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