Even there, discounting plant welfare, opportunity costs abound for wild animals forced off land It's pretty bleak I'm not optimistic about human ability to live without causing suffering, but we probably have an obligation to minimize it proximately and/or marginally
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If the research is vital, pay humans to participate. We're a better model for other humans anyway.
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drug discovery strategies that involve testing thousands of variations of a compound can't be done using human subjects
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