Even there, discounting plant welfare, opportunity costs abound for wild animals forced off land It's pretty bleak I'm not optimistic about human ability to live without causing suffering, but we probably have an obligation to minimize it proximately and/or marginally
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suffering only counts if it's people suffering, and we arbitrarily decide that homo sapiens are the only people
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Heh fair point. I guess I discount that out of hand. I'm not sure the choice of utility weighting needs to be so start or arbitrary, though.
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