Even there, discounting plant welfare, opportunity costs abound for wild animals forced off land It's pretty bleak I'm not optimistic about human ability to live without causing suffering, but we probably have an obligation to minimize it proximately and/or marginally
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Being personally unable to do this is not a reason to support a ban on it. Animal research is vital. I don't think anything but mortal terror could make me kill something with my own hands, but I'll be damned if I stop eating cheeseburgers.
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I *was* able to do it, and did. I don't think it was justified. Benefits outside of "this lab continues to get grants" were zero.
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If the research is vital, pay humans to participate. We're a better model for other humans anyway.
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drug discovery strategies that involve testing thousands of variations of a compound can't be done using human subjects
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