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    1. maskirovbot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Feb 2017

      maskirovbot Retweeted ‏بوكيبلينكي

      one could tell the opposite blanket story: "people who spend their lives being oppressed are all angry + reactive" are there any data here?https://twitter.com/pookleblinky/status/638203839775158272 …

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      ‏بوكيبلينكي @pookleblinky
      Replying to @pookleblinky
      Basically, you won't learn empathy from neurotypical cishet white dudes. You learn it from listening to people who actually need to have it
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    2. UltimApe  🐜 💩 💛‏ @ultimape 5 Feb 2017
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      interesting to think of empathy as a skill. I don't have a formal answer, but that is also how I've been approaching it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. UltimApe  🐜 💩 💛‏ @ultimape 5 Feb 2017
      Replying to @ultimape

      theory: those who need it represent a diverse/challenging group, a gauntlet to grow that skill with? Would love data also.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. UltimApe  🐜 💩 💛‏ @ultimape 5 Feb 2017
      Replying to @ultimape

      But I break down empathy into two parts: skill in listening/patience, and a penchant for collecting worldviews/models. YMMV

      1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
    5. maskirovbot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Feb 2017
      Replying to @ultimape

      interesting. my understanding of empathy has been almost entirely intuitive and tacit, I should try to extract something explicit

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      maskirovbot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Feb 2017
      Replying to @eigenrobot @ultimape

      skimming psychometric lit, looks like they're still working on an instrument, one relevant study: http://journals.lww.com/academicmedicine/Abstract/2009/09000/The_Jefferson_Scale_of_Physician_Empathy_.14.aspx …

      1:27 AM - 5 Feb 2017
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        2. maskirovbot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @eigenrobot @ultimape

          no major group differences across genders, etc in an Italian hospital. maybe bad initial news for the @pookleblinky story

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        3. UltimApe  🐜 💩 💛‏ @ultimape 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          I think the larger idea is we might want to exercise empathy by looking at message which aren't the dominate ones.

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        4. maskirovbot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @ultimape

          that does seem like one very good exercise, but I think the initial claim was a bit stronger; or am I missing something?

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        5. UltimApe  🐜 💩 💛‏ @ultimape 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          oh yeah, there's def more than one meaning there. Just teasing out the empathy bits because it was curious.

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        6. UltimApe  🐜 💩 💛‏ @ultimape 5 Feb 2017
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          I think I got stuck on "learn empathy"; I could break that down into multiple avenues. Not sure what they meant exactly.

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        7. UltimApe  🐜 💩 💛‏ @ultimape 5 Feb 2017
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          I've spent past few years trying to "learn empathy" & trying to boost my theory of mind. I might be taking it too literal.

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        8. maskirovbot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @ultimape

          maybe! fwiw, I experience empathy as emerging automatically and viscerally. metacognition so unreliable + idiosyncratic ofc

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        2. UltimApe  🐜 💩 💛‏ @ultimape 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          A different perspective on problem of understanding patients, but construed as active listening: http://www.adrr.com/aa/new.htm 

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        3. maskirovbot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @ultimape

          oh, I love this. I sometimes pretend incomprehensible others are rational agents, then try to imagine their objective function

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        4. UltimApe  🐜 💩 💛‏ @ultimape 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          yeah, its a wonderful. I've been shoring that up with trying to imagine what it's like to experience attention differently.

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        5. UltimApe  🐜 💩 💛‏ @ultimape 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @ultimape

          My theory is that a lot of conflict in my personal life are due to different attention weights on things like disgust.

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        6. maskirovbot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @ultimape

          interestingly recent conflict in my personal life may have been due to different approaches to understanding + expressing empathy

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