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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      this sidesteps the tiresome and i think not useful arguments about whether woke shit constitutes a "religion" and avoids muddling the actual issue, which is that we've somehow reached the point where large swathes of the population may not criticize it without being ostracized

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    2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      anyway someone who has his ear please let @JohnHMcWhorter know about this option because im really tired of seeing people get into stupid fights about this

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    3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      eigenrobot Retweeted eigenrobot

      further hansonian comment from follow up with charles who i want to be clear i was not trying to criticize in this thread fideism isnt "people Believe this" its more "your not allowed to seem to not believe it" which seems extremely different than Faithhttps://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/1460226234193879043?t=7zJm4_wCbXhIuWaRQLtX2g&s=19 …

      eigenrobot added,

      eigenrobot @eigenrobot
      Replying to @CharlesFLehman
      oh, i dont think its irrational. i mean--managing to get to a place where people who are skeptical of you are treated to cudgels is a perfectly rational thing to aspire to if your aim is domination. does that clarify my stance a bit? put another way, fideism is not about belief
      4 replies 2 retweets 36 likes
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    4. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      like you know. you think everyone in North Korea shouting praises to the Dear Leader feels overwhelming love for kim jong un in their hearts thats really not the point of it all. the point is to not be executed with a flamethrowerhttps://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-dictator-kim-jong-uns-executions-anti-aircraft-guns-flamethrowers-mortars …

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    5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      eigenrobot Retweeted Tim Rooney

      i disagree with this a good way to distinguish most cases is that usually when someone really believes something deeply, another's nonbelief is a curiosity to them, rather than a threathttps://twitter.com/tjrwriting/status/1460229042985132032?t=LO-CfzPVocvVA12XZJjGtw&s=19 …

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      Tim Rooney @tjrwriting
      Replying to @eigenrobot
      v similar in practice tho
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    6. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      eigenrobot Retweeted Jack's Rhetorical Buzzsaw

      i think theres a case to be made for wokeism being a religion, tho i dont have a strong view on this what i object to specifically is the tendency to claim "its a religion" with the implication that this is ipso facto grounds for criticismhttps://twitter.com/JackMartensite/status/1460230982716563457?t=LO-CfzPVocvVA12XZJjGtw&s=19 …

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      Jack's Rhetorical Buzzsaw @JackMartensite
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      I see what you're saying, but also the climate and woke peeps have rituals, ceremonies, sacrilize things, and anoint priests with special powers within their faith. Does fideism encapsulate all those behaviors?
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    7. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      im not sure how McWhorters book actually handles this. but to the extent that his critique boils down to "its bad because its a religion" one can imagine why people of other religions would be unwelcoming to the argument

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    8. Candide III‏ @CandideIII Nov 15
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      I suspect one reason is the lingering effect of Dawkins and the rest of the New Atheism movement having spent many years arguing that religions are bad. Also, as others noted here, progressives insist they're not a religion so it's good trolling, and 1A (established religion).

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    9. Candide III‏ @CandideIII Nov 15
      Replying to @CandideIII @eigenrobot

      Whether any of this trolling is productive of anything except lulz is, in my opinion, doubtful. I'd like to know, for instance, whether many people end up in the vaguely-defined Moldbuggian corner because of this trolling, or come in their own way.

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    10. Candide III‏ @CandideIII Nov 15
      Replying to @CandideIII @eigenrobot

      @eigenrobot perhaps you could run a poll. You have an audience.

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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15
      Replying to @CandideIII

      oh gosh i dont know that i want to touch this 😅

      5:55 AM - 15 Nov 2021
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        1. Candide III‏ @CandideIII Nov 15
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          Fair enough lol

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