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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      i want to once more take a position that i stole possibly from @pegobry that a better term for this is _fideism_ helpfully from @NoHolyScripture: https://twitter.com/CharlesFLehman/status/1460220159973601286 …pic.twitter.com/uKsYOlj2Ui

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    2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      i think you can slightly generalize fideism away from God in particular to characterize a stance that any particular body of beliefs is beyond critical examination

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    3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      this sidesteps the tiresome and i think not useful arguments about whether woke shit constitutes a "religion" and avoids muddling the actual issue, which is that we've somehow reached the point where large swathes of the population may not criticize it without being ostracized

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    4. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      anyway someone who has his ear please let @JohnHMcWhorter know about this option because im really tired of seeing people get into stupid fights about this

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    5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      eigenrobot Retweeted eigenrobot

      further hansonian comment from follow up with charles who i want to be clear i was not trying to criticize in this thread fideism isnt "people Believe this" its more "your not allowed to seem to not believe it" which seems extremely different than Faithhttps://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/1460226234193879043?t=7zJm4_wCbXhIuWaRQLtX2g&s=19 …

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      eigenrobot @eigenrobot
      Replying to @CharlesFLehman
      oh, i dont think its irrational. i mean--managing to get to a place where people who are skeptical of you are treated to cudgels is a perfectly rational thing to aspire to if your aim is domination. does that clarify my stance a bit? put another way, fideism is not about belief
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    6. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      like you know. you think everyone in North Korea shouting praises to the Dear Leader feels overwhelming love for kim jong un in their hearts thats really not the point of it all. the point is to not be executed with a flamethrowerhttps://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-dictator-kim-jong-uns-executions-anti-aircraft-guns-flamethrowers-mortars …

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    7. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      eigenrobot Retweeted Tim Rooney

      i disagree with this a good way to distinguish most cases is that usually when someone really believes something deeply, another's nonbelief is a curiosity to them, rather than a threathttps://twitter.com/tjrwriting/status/1460229042985132032?t=LO-CfzPVocvVA12XZJjGtw&s=19 …

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      Tim Rooney @tjrwriting
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      v similar in practice tho
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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

      eigenrobot Retweeted Jack's Rhetorical Buzzsaw

      i think theres a case to be made for wokeism being a religion, tho i dont have a strong view on this what i object to specifically is the tendency to claim "its a religion" with the implication that this is ipso facto grounds for criticismhttps://twitter.com/JackMartensite/status/1460230982716563457?t=LO-CfzPVocvVA12XZJjGtw&s=19 …

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      Jack's Rhetorical Buzzsaw @JackMartensite
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      I see what you're saying, but also the climate and woke peeps have rituals, ceremonies, sacrilize things, and anoint priests with special powers within their faith. Does fideism encapsulate all those behaviors?
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        1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15

          im not sure how McWhorters book actually handles this. but to the extent that his critique boils down to "its bad because its a religion" one can imagine why people of other religions would be unwelcoming to the argument

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        2. Quiet‏ @ennuiposting Nov 15
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          i have truth, you have religion, they have repulsive barbarian superstition

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        3. Candide III‏ @CandideIII Nov 15
          Replying to @ennuiposting @eigenrobot

          Exactly. For those who prefer just one word in the third person of this Russell conjugation, it is "bigotry".

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        2. Kate Paul Dillon.‏ @KatePaulDillon Nov 15
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          It’s a point of criticism because it is essentially a belief system that proclaims to not be grounded in being a belief system. It is more of a cult. The label of “like a religion” deals more with people wanting a word for the blind faith and force of others inherent to it.

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        3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Nov 15
          Replying to @KatePaulDillon

          well right but you can imagine why people who are members of explicit religions would object to being equated to cult members

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        1. Purple Whale‏ @PurpleWhale12 Nov 15
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          I think religions that are unbound by ritual are dangerous but no idea if that's the direction he goes in.

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        1. Jade Breeze‏ @jadejadebreeze Nov 15
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          "It's a religion" encapsulates why enforcing it is so deeply offensive though. It's not just the demands for behavior, it's the demands that you believe it in your heart and cleave to it.

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        2. Vitruvius‏ @DeHumanitas Nov 15
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          It's not bad because it's a religion. There are good religions. Wokeism isn't one of them.

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