school vaccine mandates have been famously easy to get around if one is so inclined and they involved decades-tested vaccines with proven and durable immunity, usually implemented through a legislative action
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Replying to @politicalmath @eigenrobot
My prediction was correct: I absolutely do not care about the distinctions about it "not being tested enough" and so on, and in fact seeing libertarians get in on that particular game makes me particularly averse to the term.
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If the libertarian distinction is about the empirical question of the vaccine's safety and efficacy, then I *disagree with you* on that distinction. And if it's a libertarian ideological commitment to doubt safety and efficacy then I think that's a commitment to being wrong.
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what bothers me most about this is that it has felt obvious to me that the vaccine would be safe and effective since the summer of last year, and radical skepticism of public health authorities and self-investigation of the evidence should get you to that result
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Replying to @sgodofsk @AlexGodofsky and
what I want is to stop giving a shit about the virus. I want to not have to wear a mask, not worry about whether I can travel overseas, not have to get tests, not see shit randomly closed down, etc. All of that stuff is really annoying. Getting a shot and showing a card isn't.
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Replying to @sgodofsk @AlexGodofsky and
Now one can reasonably argue whether a vaccine mandate actually gets us there or not and honestly I'm agnostic on that question. I guess here's my stance: 1. you should get the shot 2. if someone else makes you do it, I'm not going to cry about it 3. stop making me wear a mask
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Yes if the government can make you *wear crap on your face* we are actually way past the "government can make you get the shot" point.
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Part of the commitment that libertarians make (or that I thought we had made) is that different people have different priorities and that bodily autonomy is a pretty big bridge to cross. The ultimate problem is that we're at a different starting point on that question.
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If you're looking for the limit of state power against your bodily autonomy, remember that the state literally has the power, in principle, to conscript you against your will into armed conflict.
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Replying to @sgodofsk @politicalmath and
Now, I'm just straightforwardly not a libertarian and I think that's a good thing, maybe self-identified libertarians see that differently.
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