one thing i will always be grateful to rationalism (among other groups) for is that regardless of the extent to which i agree with them about various things they took "how to think clearly" to be a core and vital challenge and it was a joy to partake in that learninghttps://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/1442435972470169606 …
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I guess the core question is though, with all those attempts to think better, did they ACTUALLY think better? I'm not 100% convinced they did.
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FWIW I think there is some interesting research coming out of AI risk wing and whacky bayesian wing, tho I believe that the "whacky bayesians" don't have full courage of their convictions and aren't really trying to pluck the good, interesting low hanging fruit of their views>
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EA IMHO also does a lot of good and has a lot of good arguments despite the overly prevalent yuddite AI concern infestation
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Yud started LW specifically because he thought people weren't rational enough to be convinced that AI risk was real and important.
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Once upon a time, Reddit was a place where upvotes and downvotes taught you how to make better arguments. They sure as hell nipped that one in the bud.
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The real Tower of Babel is in our hearts.
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I’m confused by the chronology (again). I thought AI risk came first, and the rationality movement spun out from it. EA may have developed around the same time on a parallel track that later merged with the core AI rats? I dunno. I need a postrat to draw me a timeline.
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I think Yudkowsky says he wrote the sequences with the specific intent of arguing why AI risk mattered and was hard. But I don't know that Robin Hanson was ever particularly motivated by that. So some, but not all, early proponents cared a lot about ai risk?
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