Skip to content
By using Twitter’s services you agree to our Cookies Use. We and our partners operate globally and use cookies, including for analytics, personalisation, and ads.
  • Home Home Home, current page.
  • About

Saved searches

  • Remove
  • In this conversation
    Verified accountProtected Tweets @
Suggested users
  • Verified accountProtected Tweets @
  • Verified accountProtected Tweets @
  • Language: English
    • Bahasa Indonesia
    • Bahasa Melayu
    • Català
    • Čeština
    • Dansk
    • Deutsch
    • English UK
    • Español
    • Filipino
    • Français
    • Hrvatski
    • Italiano
    • Magyar
    • Nederlands
    • Norsk
    • Polski
    • Português
    • Română
    • Slovenčina
    • Suomi
    • Svenska
    • Tiếng Việt
    • Türkçe
    • Ελληνικά
    • Български език
    • Русский
    • Српски
    • Українська мова
    • עִבְרִית
    • العربية
    • فارسی
    • मराठी
    • हिन्दी
    • বাংলা
    • ગુજરાતી
    • தமிழ்
    • ಕನ್ನಡ
    • ภาษาไทย
    • 한국어
    • 日本語
    • 简体中文
    • 繁體中文
  • Have an account? Log in
    Have an account?
    · Forgot password?

    New to Twitter?
    Sign up
eigenrobot's profile
eigenrobot
eigenrobot
eigenrobot
@eigenrobot

Tweets

eigenrobot

@eigenrobot

robot. friend.

eigenrobot.substack.com
Joined July 2013

Tweets

  • © 2021 Twitter
  • About
  • Help Center
  • Terms
  • Privacy policy
  • Cookies
  • Ads info
Dismiss
Previous
Next

Go to a person's profile

Saved searches

  • Remove
  • In this conversation
    Verified accountProtected Tweets @
Suggested users
  • Verified accountProtected Tweets @
  • Verified accountProtected Tweets @

Promote this Tweet

Block

  • Tweet with a location

    You can add location information to your Tweets, such as your city or precise location, from the web and via third-party applications. You always have the option to delete your Tweet location history. Learn more

    Your lists

    Create a new list


    Under 100 characters, optional

    Privacy

    Copy link to Tweet

    Embed this Tweet

    Embed this Video

    Add this Tweet to your website by copying the code below. Learn more

    Add this video to your website by copying the code below. Learn more

    Hmm, there was a problem reaching the server.

    By embedding Twitter content in your website or app, you are agreeing to the Twitter Developer Agreement and Developer Policy.

    Preview

    Why you're seeing this ad

    Log in to Twitter

    · Forgot password?
    Don't have an account? Sign up »

    Sign up for Twitter

    Not on Twitter? Sign up, tune into the things you care about, and get updates as they happen.

    Sign up
    Have an account? Log in »

    Two-way (sending and receiving) short codes:

    Country Code For customers of
    United States 40404 (any)
    Canada 21212 (any)
    United Kingdom 86444 Vodafone, Orange, 3, O2
    Brazil 40404 Nextel, TIM
    Haiti 40404 Digicel, Voila
    Ireland 51210 Vodafone, O2
    India 53000 Bharti Airtel, Videocon, Reliance
    Indonesia 89887 AXIS, 3, Telkomsel, Indosat, XL Axiata
    Italy 4880804 Wind
    3424486444 Vodafone
    » See SMS short codes for other countries

    Confirmation

     

    Welcome home!

    This timeline is where you’ll spend most of your time, getting instant updates about what matters to you.

    Tweets not working for you?

    Hover over the profile pic and click the Following button to unfollow any account.

    Say a lot with a little

    When you see a Tweet you love, tap the heart — it lets the person who wrote it know you shared the love.

    Spread the word

    The fastest way to share someone else’s Tweet with your followers is with a Retweet. Tap the icon to send it instantly.

    Join the conversation

    Add your thoughts about any Tweet with a Reply. Find a topic you’re passionate about, and jump right in.

    Learn the latest

    Get instant insight into what people are talking about now.

    Get more of what you love

    Follow more accounts to get instant updates about topics you care about.

    Find what's happening

    See the latest conversations about any topic instantly.

    Never miss a Moment

    Catch up instantly on the best stories happening as they unfold.

    1. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Sep 6
      Replying to @zackmdavis @davidxu90 and

      I will say that there are some topics on which @eigenrobot's social-cluster (the prototypical "post-rat", I think?—whatever that means) can sustain genuinely higher-quality discussion than Eliezer's social-cluster just on account of being less politically constrained. 2/6

      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    2. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Sep 6
      Replying to @zackmdavis @davidxu90 and

      Zack M. Davis Retweeted Zack M. Davis

      E.g., I linked Eigen to my review of the new Charles Murray book—& the absolute madman retweeted it! So-called "rationalists" with a 501(c)(3) to protect can't do that kind of thing. Probably the right decision if you're focused on xrisk! However 3/6https://twitter.com/zackmdavis/status/1397374754659528705 …

      Zack M. Davis added,

      Zack M. Davis @zackmdavis
      Replying to @eigenrobot @extradeadjcb
      If you're already up to speed on the Science from other sources (effect sizes, GWAS, twin studies, &c.), the metagame of working out why this knowledge is Considered Toxic is worth pondering: http://unremediatedgender.space/2020/Apr/book-review-human-diversity/ …
      1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
    3. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Sep 6
      Replying to @zackmdavis @davidxu90 and

      If mainstream "rationalists" want to make that compromise, I think it's really unfair for them/us to SIMULTANEOUSLY market them/our-selves as "always right"—a one-stop-shop for general-purpose correctness. That's false advertising! No social group owns reasoning itself! 4/6

      2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    4. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Sep 6
      Replying to @zackmdavis @davidxu90 and

      This public epistemology problem is far more general than my particular obsessions, but since you asked—EY has been (admirably) explicit that discussion in his Caliphate can't contradict Blue Tribe dogma—see comment starting w/"THE DISCLAIMER" under https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10159421750419228 … 5/6

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    5. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Sep 6
      Replying to @zackmdavis @davidxu90 and

      Scott is also (admirably) explicit that he's not trying to be right when being right would get him in trouble! Again, that's pretty reasonable in itself! But crucially, Scott does not market himself as "always right"!! https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/10/23/kolmogorov-complicity-and-the-parable-of-lightning/ … 6/7

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    6. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Sep 6
      Replying to @zackmdavis @davidxu90 and

      For explanation of why I think censored discussions preclude a characterization of "always right" (which I think should be a VERY high standard!), see https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/DoPo4PDjgSySquHX8/heads-i-win-tails-never-heard-of-her-or-selective-reporting … and https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/MN4NRkMw7ggt9587K/firming-up-not-lying-around-its-edge-cases-is-less-broadly … 7/7

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    7. Zack M. Davis‏ @zackmdavis Sep 6
      Replying to @zackmdavis @davidxu90 and

      I perceive a huge gap between "Me and my friends wrote some super-great blog posts about epistemology, which anyone can read and apply, even to topics that me and my friends aren't interested in" (good! true!) and "Me and my friends are always right" (false advertising) 8/8

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. David Xu‏ @davidxu90 Sep 7
      Replying to @zackmdavis @ESYudkowsky and

      To my mind, the defining feature of the “post-rat” social cluster is its refusal to commit itself to a solid epistemology (and general disdain for clusters who *do* so commit themselves). 1/n

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    9. David Xu‏ @davidxu90 Sep 7
      Replying to @davidxu90 @zackmdavis and

      I don’t really associate the social cluster in question with particular individuals (e.g. @eigenrobot), but I do think the social origins of said cluster have strong causal ties (to say the least!) to some who were dissatisfied with the existing rationalist community. 2/n

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    10. David Xu‏ @davidxu90 Sep 7
      Replying to @davidxu90 @zackmdavis and

      The existence of this causal link, combined with your obvious dissatisfaction with some members of what you term the “Caliphate”, cause me to worry that you (Zack) might start espousing similar views of rationality (namely, that it doesn’t exist) as the post-rat cluster. 3/n

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Sep 7
      Replying to @davidxu90 @zackmdavis and

      im skeptical that we endorse the view that rationality doesnt exist. i would frame my personal view as "object-level rationality is an indispensable framework for dealing with many problems but it has its limits and drawbacks, and a richer toolkit is desirable"

      12:48 AM - 7 Sep 2021
      • 6 Likes
      • June "Wakalix", 💎 entirelyuseless Brian Goodrich Sawyer Nexidava David Xu
      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
        1. David Xu‏ @davidxu90 Sep 7
          Replying to @eigenrobot @zackmdavis and

          Thanks; that may be a better way of putting it. I don’t claim to be an expert on post-rat epistemology (though I will say you guys don’t make it easy!), so it’s always good to have a correction on record.

          0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
          Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. Undo
          Undo

      Loading seems to be taking a while.

      Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.

        Promoted Tweet

        false

        • © 2021 Twitter
        • About
        • Help Center
        • Terms
        • Privacy policy
        • Cookies
        • Ads info