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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 29

      eigenrobot Retweeted SLIME MOLD TIME MOLD

      long good thread arguing for a chemical origin of mass obesityhttps://twitter.com/mold_time/status/1412827749828513800 …

      eigenrobot added,

      SLIME MOLD TIME MOLD @mold_time
      The study of obesity is the study of mysteries. https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-part-i-mysteries/ …
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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 29

      eigenrobot Retweeted j

      this is a pretty fair rejoinder obvious synthesis seems like (i) chemical causing trend, (ii) chemicals also not sufficient to overcome deliberate manipulation of body in many caseshttps://twitter.com/SimpleTeo/status/1432104526064930817?s=19 …

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      j @SimpleTeo
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      these threads have always seemed pretty specious to me, because we _do_ have groups of people who can reliably control their bf% & weight — athletes in weight-classed sports, bodybuilders, etc. all bulk / cut, using mostly plain CICO.
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        2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 29

          "many of these claims are wrong or bad" probably, lots of good objections to specifics in replies "its not monocausal" totally obesity is a complex phenomenon. but the rapid global spread is v interesting and a lot of standard stories dont seem adequate to capture this

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        3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 29

          mostly im just glad someone is doing a big survey of it after @karlbykarlsmith's work from some years back

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        2. Alex Godofsky‏ @AlexGodofsky Aug 29
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          tighter synthesis is that the chemicals cause obesity through effect on body's set point

          2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
        3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 29
          Replying to @AlexGodofsky

          are we saying different things that seems like a subset of what i was saying i probably wasnt very clear. hm

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        2. j‏ @SimpleTeo Aug 29
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          yeah I'd agree with this! the altitude thing is super cool tho, I wonder what's up with that. reading the lab animal paper too rn. still a very cool thread that raises a bunch of interesting questions.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. Dedicating Ruckus‏ @ded_ruckus Aug 30
          Replying to @SimpleTeo @eigenrobot

          people who live at high altitude also have lesser cancer rates the proposed mechanism I've seen there is radiation hormesis from greater cosmic background radiation

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        1. #8‏ @perilousphoto Aug 29
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          Some people don’t have cancer so people with cancer should just try not having cancer by doing whatever those people do. I had no trouble controlling my weight. Until I was on IV antibiotics. Depression, weight issues and eventually an autoimmune disease followed.

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        2. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Aug 29
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          i think the right way to frame it is that the stability of each individual’s bodyweight up through very recent times is the stylized fact in need of interpretation: in historically normal conditions some force was constraining ppl to act in a way that usually preserved weight…

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        3. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Aug 29
          Replying to @QuasLacrimas @eigenrobot

          … whereas more recently some new factor has caused ppl following this natural force to systematically overeat (as though the force was systematically miscalculating CI&CO), yet when ppl track CI & CO explicitly and exhaustively they can still get a healthy weight deliberately

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        2. SQUIRREL OF G_D‏ @MadeInMycelium Aug 29
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          Those groups also tend to gravitate towards sports appropriate to body type and use targeted, temporary changes in bodyweight. Steroids also give way more control over body comp. Super muscular people with single digit bf% are almost nonexistent in nature.

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        3. SLIME MOLD TIME MOLD‏ @mold_time Aug 29
          Replying to @MadeInMycelium @eigenrobot

          We mostly agree but re:bodyfat, the Kitavans looked pretty dang lean!pic.twitter.com/5enzUTqbs1

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