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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 11

      the Aubrey de Grey thing in particular, but not just that, has me suspecting more that feminism's dual desiderata of sexual emancipation and reduced predation are rather incompatible in practice

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    2. Bella Rudd‏ @BellaRudd1 Aug 11
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      there's been an increase in predation? to me this is new information. i've heard it been said for narrative spread, but i'm gonna need a citation!

      2 replies 1 retweet 16 likes
    3. entirelyuseless‏ @entirelyuseles Aug 11
      Replying to @BellaRudd1 @eigenrobot

      More plausible deniability re badness of behavior means costs of bad behavior are lower, which means more of the bad behavior. You could demand a citation that *anything at all* has changed in people attitudes to sex in the last 2 centuries, but that doesn't mean you should.

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    4. Bella Rudd‏ @BellaRudd1 Aug 11
      Replying to @entirelyuseles @eigenrobot

      you could bs a narrative to explain *anything at all* but... if we're going with plausible seeming just-so stories, we could say greater power disparities between the genders and fewer avenues of accountability for bad behavior means that there was more bad behavior in the past.

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    5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 11
      Replying to @BellaRudd1 @entirelyuseles

      ye

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    6. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 11
      Replying to @eigenrobot @BellaRudd1 @entirelyuseles

      I guess more explicitly one of the problems with this story is its not obvious from data that predation is increasing and the empirics if you want to show that its higher compared to the counterfactual are quite difficult to execute

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    7. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 11
      Replying to @eigenrobot @BellaRudd1 @entirelyuseles

      so you can identify specific cases where perhaps this has plausibly contributed but what is the net effect over the population, how do we attribute changes if we see them across various factors, etc im skeptical we ever get close to a real understanding

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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 11
      Replying to @eigenrobot @BellaRudd1 @entirelyuseles

      anyway I hope i was sufficiently epistemically constrained here

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        2. entirelyuseless‏ @entirelyuseles Aug 11
          Replying to @eigenrobot @BellaRudd1

          Obviously nothing I say about it is going to be "data," and probably no one has collected any. But I would be prepared to bet a large sum that my claim is provable at least in regards to particular types of behavior; e.g. the kind of drunken hookup that counts as predatory.

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        3. Store Brand‏ @storebrandguy Aug 11
          Replying to @entirelyuseles @eigenrobot @BellaRudd1

          well date rapes are only possible in societies that have a culture of dating but with sufficiently limited scope the claim is almost tautological

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