one thing missing from this thread that is unrelated to lims points but actually most important to me in my heart of hearts is that anyone who implies that they have some standing to police who i speak with is a cop and they can fuck right offhttps://twitter.com/liminal_warmth/status/1424197998339231746 …
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Hm. How would that work in the case of the Vaguely Related Woman with the Infant (VRWI)? Presumably her predicament was a bad effect of talking to(o much) some people, or not talking (enough) to some other people?
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I see what you're getting at and i take your point
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real talk it is not from the benevolence of the nosy neighbour, the busybody, or the neighbourhood organizer, that we expect our norms, but from their regard to their own interest.
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good norms are made just like bad norms, that’s why abhorring the object level is not Good; objectively it just ends up with I’m ok you’re ok short term conflict avoidance, which means the norms get set by people without such hangups
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