having a career talk with my boss after my skip level told him that his other direct reports wanted more career advice "so that seems like a good idea. i mean i never think about 'career plans' personally but that seems like something worth doing"
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he gave me a worksheet to fill out to go over i was answered honestly saying "yeah im basically working as a means to other that ends i care about more than working and im never gonna work 80h/week" i think were basically on the same page about why we go to work every day
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Replying to @eigenrobot
I wish those convos were even in the realm of possibility back in the day
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am I right that people just lied to each other constantly about this in the past? might I trouble you for any historical context?
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Replying to @eigenrobot
Yes people lied to each other and to themselves. 30-40 yrs ago the model was you found your career company and you stayed there for life. This had some security but you were never honest about work-life ‘balance’ or your ‘passions.’ The power dynamics were so different
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Replying to @Caroline30
hearing this . . . yeah. my folks are about ten years your senior and they were talking with their siblings about this at Thanksgiving a few years ago. I think about how in the 70s-80s everyone was just working all the time and your job was your Thing
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I imagine it must have been even moreso in earlier decades
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I think so. The first thing men at least were asked is ‘who do you work for?’ It defined them. I come from a long line of men who worked at DuPont. If any of them lost their job suicide was a risk. It didn’t even occur to them to find a better job an say f u to DuPont
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Huuh. My maternal grandfather was a chemical engineer. At one point as a child my mom came home and found out he wasnt working for (maybe DuPont?) anymore and she freaked out and started trying to think of ways to save the family money, like sewing her own clothes
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In this case it turned out hed just pivoted to consulting and was earning even more but her reaction still seems instructive
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B/c she was afraid. Women didn’t work. ‘Good’ companies provided jobs for life and ‘consultants’ weren’t even in the vernacular. They would have been regarded as side jobs for people who couldn’t make it with the big boys (and they were all boys)
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