"if you ask people in profession X what they want to do it will be horrible and/or self-interested. etc" yeah absolutely, I should have been more careful in the way I phrased this. the temptation to be glib is strong. will expand in a moment after I remember the other critiques
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eigenrobot Retweeted "Insufficient Gravitas" Barnaby
this response which i basically agree with theres a difference between systems understanding and . idk local understanding? and pure metis seems like usually the latter and maybe episteme becomes more important at more abstracted levels that seems finehttps://twitter.com/B_Barbarian/status/1422655339476832257?s=19 …
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there may have been other things but these seemed like the most important and im very tired
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I think the ideal approach to developing systemic competence is sort of iterating between metis-based knowledge and systems
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you probably cant build a system out of simple metis nearly as easily as you can from techne and episteme, but its hard to build a functional system if you ignore the peculiarities and idiosyncrasies that get filed off at higher levels of abstraction
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or rather. you have to be very careful about which bits you file off the kind of question I think you might want to ask a person with local or tacit knowledge is "what would happen if we did X" where X is some part of an imagined system that they might interact with
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i think what i am maybe trying to get at is that people with metis have knowledge that is 1. resistant to systematization and yet 2. highly relevant to the operation of some systems and they are often the people who are most likely to be able to tell you why a system may fail
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i wish I were more coherent. brain not super working, examples I have are not perfect. common cases come from economic Planning. top level people set regulations that backfire hilariously that could have been resolved with feedback about how regulated people might respond
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for example. Soviet planners wanted to increase production of chandeliers. so they set goals for factories to produce them and rewarded them for the amount they produced. measured by weight. soon USSR had heaviest chandeliers in the world. massively unwieldy
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cambells law is sort of a distillation of this sort of incentive fuckup fwiw I have to deal with these issues at my job on a small scale on a daily basis. its not remotely theoretical to me.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell%27s_law …
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