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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 3

      eigenrobot Retweeted Rob Henderson

      ive occasionally thought that the easiest way to do good empirically work was to go talk to people with metis and just translate that to some BS episteme. and then i started to wonder why the episteme even mattered most of the timehttps://twitter.com/robkhenderson/status/1422565071717380103 …

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      Rob Henderson @robkhenderson
      "Notice that ordinary people are never allowed to pronounce on complex problems." https://amzn.to/3CdEi2M  pic.twitter.com/sBoqn7O717
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    2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 3

      there were a bunch of good complaints about this that I think we're right and I feel I should list them to be honest

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    3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 3

      "if you ask people in profession X what they want to do it will be horrible and/or self-interested. etc" yeah absolutely, I should have been more careful in the way I phrased this. the temptation to be glib is strong. will expand in a moment after I remember the other critiques

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    4. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 3

      eigenrobot Retweeted "Insufficient Gravitas" Barnaby

      this response which i basically agree with theres a difference between systems understanding and . idk local understanding? and pure metis seems like usually the latter and maybe episteme becomes more important at more abstracted levels that seems finehttps://twitter.com/B_Barbarian/status/1422655339476832257?s=19 …

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      "Insufficient Gravitas" Barnaby @B_Barbarian
      Replying to @B_Barbarian @eigenrobot
      However, they do not necessarily have well-formed opinions on strategic sanitation planning, alternate WW treatment technologies (might just dislike them on principle of "not how we do things"), etc.
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    5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 3

      there may have been other things but these seemed like the most important and im very tired

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    6. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 3

      I think the ideal approach to developing systemic competence is sort of iterating between metis-based knowledge and systems

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    7. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 3

      you probably cant build a system out of simple metis nearly as easily as you can from techne and episteme, but its hard to build a functional system if you ignore the peculiarities and idiosyncrasies that get filed off at higher levels of abstraction

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    8. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 3

      or rather. you have to be very careful about which bits you file off the kind of question I think you might want to ask a person with local or tacit knowledge is "what would happen if we did X" where X is some part of an imagined system that they might interact with

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    9. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 3

      i think what i am maybe trying to get at is that people with metis have knowledge that is 1. resistant to systematization and yet 2. highly relevant to the operation of some systems and they are often the people who are most likely to be able to tell you why a system may fail

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    10. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 3

      none of this is super new. it feels like one variation on Hayek's _The Use of Information in Society_ which is my favorite economics paper. or @literalbanana on indexicality related issues also Seeing Like a Statehttps://carcinisation.com/2020/01/27/ignorance-a-skilled-practice/ …

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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 3

      consider @johnsalvatier also on this matter who noted the extent to which reality is characterized by greebling http://johnsalvatier.org/blog/2017/reality-has-a-surprising-amount-of-detail …

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        1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Aug 3

          in the spirit of this thread i offer no general conclusions.

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        1. Teddy‏ @TeddyRaccovelt Aug 3
          Replying to @eigenrobot @johnsalvatier

          mmm this is very praxis-like

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