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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 15

      chapter five seems to be a discussion of the vocational high school system, which is mostly free (unlike academic high schools) and modeled after germanys system so far they sound like normal high schools in that theyre not useful for getting jobspic.twitter.com/PGCWWvGQpC

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    2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 15

      apparently the vocational high school thing was a 2002 initiative that actually made it into provincial policy goaling very excited to see how Campbell's Law played outpic.twitter.com/YntuTKxoVv

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    3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 15

      "who could have predicted this"pic.twitter.com/faqkzy5rrA

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    4. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 15

      honestly though he's ticking through problems with the high schools (no one is learning anything, students are smoking in class, whatever) and comparing this to public high schools in a typical American city and im mostly thinking "looks like china has finally made it"

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    5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 15

      it is disappointing to me that the authors are allegedly economists and discussing the topic of education and have not mentioned Spence even once

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    6. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 15

      more anecdotes. apparently vocational majors are determined by policymakers rather than potential employers. this has led to things like students majoring in abacus use and repairing telephone booths and VCRs

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    7. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 15

      overall im coming away suspecting that chinas vocational schools are indeed completely worthless as educational institutions but nb it probably wouldnt have taken much for me to believe this

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    8. iamhammed‏ @iamhammed_ Jul 15
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      Have you been to China?

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    9. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 15
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      thats not important to the tweet tbh

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    10. iamhammed‏ @iamhammed_ Jul 15
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      I only ask because some of the theses in that book are incongruous with reality in China.

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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 15
      Replying to @iamhammed_

      the author seems to have been doing in-person research in chinas development for decades with an emphasis on rural areas and education i dont know what you want from me

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        1. Purple Whale‏ @PurpleWhale12 Jul 15
          Replying to @eigenrobot @iamhammed_

          The claims about empty worthless schools are actually much MORE believable to anyone who spent considerable time in China.

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        2. NLRG Loves Recursive Guises‏ @NLRG_ Jul 15
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          are vocational schools specifically a rural thing if not are the problems a rural thing or are the urban ones just as bad

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        3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jul 15
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          little bit unclear to me part of the problem is that urban/rural can mean what we think of it usually, or it can refer to classification eg there are lots of "rural" schools in cities where your kids go if you're classified as rural sort of like Chinese Jim crow

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