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    1. Alex Godofsky‏ @AlexGodofsky Jun 23

      re: "wokeness is [like] a religion" There's one common interpretation of this which is supposed to go "wokeness is a religion, we all agree religion is wrong, so so wokeness is wrong". For various reasons this is an unproductive line of argument so I won't address it further.

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    2. Alex Godofsky‏ @AlexGodofsky Jun 23

      The other interpretation, which I think is worth at least mulling, is that most of society's institutions broadly incorporate a detente over "religious" claims, even though religions frequently make fairly strong demands on our notions of right action, justice, equity, etc.

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    3. Alex Godofsky‏ @AlexGodofsky Jun 23

      "Wokeness is [like] a religion" suggests that maybe many of the demands wokeness makes on our institutions should be treated the same way and subject to the same detente, *even though* that's means setting aside strongly-held opinions about justice.

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    4. Alex Godofsky‏ @AlexGodofsky Jun 23

      I don't think this is an ironclad argument, and it's certainly difficult to rigorously distinguish "religious" morality from "regular" morality (if such a distinction even makes sense), but incoherence hasn't stopped this detente in the past. It's worth considering.

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    5. Alex Godofsky‏ @AlexGodofsky Jun 23

      But as a coda I'll note that in fact we *do* have a fair number of important institutions that really are explicitly religious, and do soft-impose the moral claims of their faith on their daily operations - for example, Catholic hospitals and abortion. Also worth considering.

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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 23
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      i think it was @pegobry who contrasted "religion" with "fideism" and described wokism as the latter

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        2.  🦌‏ @kilovh Jun 23
          Replying to @eigenrobot @AlexGodofsky @pegobry

          Religion is way too broad to be useful, I for one propose "idolatry"

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        3. Alex Godofsky‏ @AlexGodofsky Jun 23
          Replying to @kilovh @eigenrobot @pegobry

          "Wokeness is idolatry, which is bad, therefore wokeness is bad" involves too many non-shared premises to be useful for arriving at the detente, just like the "wokeness is religion, which is wrong" formulation does.

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