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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 1

      eigenrobot Retweeted Paul Graham

      so then once one identifies what any give group people want to be unquestionable you have a pretty clear idea of whats false about any given ideology so one can identify the set of things that are held unquestionable by any ideology and conclude they are all wrong right? 😃https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1399642191941844992 …

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      Paul GrahamVerified account @paulg
      When an ideology has to include false beliefs (which they always do, since why would you bother having an ideology otherwise?), they must be treated as unquestionable axioms. Otherwise you'll always be defending them, which would be a losing battle if they're false.
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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 1

      im sort of poking fun at the framing but I think the core idea is fairly sound someone once wrote, regarding a fanatic, something along the lines of "no one believes anything true with such fervor"

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        2. Snake‏ @tigerboy74u Jun 1
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          I think this is true but fundamentally irrelevant; if an ideology is just a mechanism to produce outcomes that you and your peeps prefer it doesn’t really matter if it’s “true” so long as it works

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        3. Snake‏ @tigerboy74u Jun 1
          Replying to @tigerboy74u @eigenrobot

          I don’t love any idea, but I do love the outcomes adherence to them can produce

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        1. Rich Durst‏ @redcar_tenken Jun 1
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          Maybe, but I don’t think the truth or falsehood of axioms is necessarily that self-evident. People can be accidentally right just as they can be willfully wrong.

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        2. Tom Chivers‏Verified account @TomChivers Jun 1
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          it reminds me of something I read once, that the reason there are fanatical Star Wars fans but not fanatical Indiana Jones fans is that IJ is just a solid, well-made fun movie, but Star Wars is a bit ridiculous. so you have to commit to it. Being a fan becomes a statement.

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        3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 1
          Replying to @TomChivers

          yes!! also seen: casual fan: "the band's best album is their best album" diehard fan: "the band's best album is their second-worst album"

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        1. Hervey "Mark Mollineaux" Okkles  🦀 🚰‏ @bufordsharkley Jun 1
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          The boundary lines between different ideologies are ultimately about things which are unfalsifiable

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        2. chase patterson‏ @chasewpatterson Jun 1
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          A cheeky retort, but if we’re bring an emotion like fervor into the heuristic, a staunch interpretation runs awkwardly into the question, “do you believe that you love your family?”

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        3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Jun 1
          Replying to @chasewpatterson

          if you saw a guy shouting in public about how much he loves his family would that increase or decrease your belief that he probably loves his family? to be cheeky, :)pic.twitter.com/pkoD6MOuF7

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        1. nvpkp‏ @nvpkp Jun 1
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          got into an argument with a teacher once about (my view) how the word “believe” must inherently contain a bit of doubt, or subtle acknowledgment of falsehood. we held the poor class hostage for like ten minutes 😬 but kinda proud for holding my ground there.

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        1. SQUIRREL OF G_D‏ @MadeInMycelium Jun 1
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          It's not that the core claims are false so much as they demand that you ignore information which would contradict them. The axiom always correspond to incomplete but real sets of information.

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