Truces basically never hold, and the Pima over time abandon many fertile village sites and their irrigation works due to Apache attacks, they have almost no trade or peaceful interactions. but the a big majority of recent historians describe Pima attacks on Apache as “irrational”
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Replying to @moheroy @eigenrobot
You will read about a raid where some Apache kill some Pima and abduct women & children, then the Pima track Apaches and recover 1 or 2, then the Apache attack and try to kill effective Pima leader, so Pima get together and go kill a bunch of Apaches, etc...
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This goes on for 5 or 6 years and then a bunch of Pima get together and organize an assault on an Apache encampment and the historisn starts discussing how violence makes people irrational and leads them to do crazy things like retaliate.
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And the horrors of this warfare are incredible, torture, mutilation, women taken captive and then murdering their children so they can escape. Back and forth. The Spanish show up and just join the existing process, then the Americans shows up... but it just keeps going
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Every now and then there is a change in the balance of power, in 1698 the Pima kill hundreds of Apache incl women after a failed Apache raid and with Spanish help they get a few decades of peace of peace, in the 1760s it reverses, and so on.
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I could go on, the point is it is war to the death but people talking about it today act like continuing the cycle is crazy, yet at no point did any truce lead to anything but war. Things do change but it involved the us army, railroads, modern rifles, and telegraph communication
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And the way it resolves was they basically killed or deported most of the Apaches. I am not anti Apache, Their actions are mostly rational too, but weirdly the ones who fight to the very end like Geronimo never get called out for being crazy. Only the Pima and Spanish/Mexicans
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The past is a foreign country and it seems like no one under the age of sixty can figure that out any more. They are so determined to “contextualize” the violence that they completely fail to do so.
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You read older books and authors and this problem isn’t really there btw. I read on Spanish colonial policy, local mining histories, native historians and there is no denying barbarity on all sides (Spanish, US, native, etc) but no assumption of irrationality.
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Antway I regret this thread, but I had to get it off my chest. I’m a geologist not a historian or anthropologist I don’t get to talk about this elsewhere.
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