While I appreciate the argument that the only thing the sides currently share is a tendency toward cruelty, and also that "who started it" conversations are fruitless, I have no better answer than agreed upon detente that is not going to happen.https://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/1387156494752239620 …
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What has happened to the vast majority of trans people is remarkably unfair and largely through no fault of their own. However, they have become a flashpoint because their loudest have aggressively demanded people agree to see five lights when there are four.
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And they have, by extension, become the most visible humans to yell at amongst people who believe certain medical procedures on minors are child abuse.
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And, much like the abortion argument will never be solved because you can't make someone change their definition of when "being a person starts," it's also excessively hard to change a person's opinion of what constitutes "abusing children."
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I don't have a solution for this, so what has been left is to reject the trans ideology in whole cloth, as it appears it is all or nothing; much like where New York pushed the abortion debate in 2019 with full term abortion.
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I am open to solutions that amount to "leave people alone" but neither side seems open to leaving the other side alone as we all struggle over the giant murder cannon in control of the federal government.
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So, yes, the joking map of "Jesusland" and "Sodom" is probably our best path forward. Give everyone a few years to move. Maybe swap houses. And get on with our lives finding new things to be mad at each other about.
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you might be surprised at the number of trans women in these parts who just hang out and v i b e and also by the number of them who are aggressively right wing
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my suspicion is that outreach to sane people in any group is much more effective than writing off the entirety on the basis of the maddest of them
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It isn't clear to me what sane trans people believe w/r/t the child issue. I expect it isn't monolithic and they all have what they believe defensible reasons for it. That said, allowing the transitioning of children and mixed sports is a binary state. We either do it or we don't
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oh for sure i read one writing a thread on this a week or two ago, another was talking about it in voice chat a few months ago both takes were something like "errgghhhh its a fucking mess and every option is bad" iirc
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Replying to @eigenrobot @upstatefederlst
but like most potential political disagreements its only a problem among friends to the extent that one person insists on fighting about it, is my view
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My position is "if every option is bad, it's on you to provide me a good one before we use the power of the state to make all the other options illegal." Such as the case in NY where the law is so broad that asking "Are You Sure?" to your kids is considered "conversion therapy."
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