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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 11 Dec 2020

      I'm warming to _Imperial Twilight_ the later sections are exceptionally well-writen and researched about the Canton trade and about diplomatic operations from each side it's entrancing there's still occasional tendentiousness but now very outweight by the content

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    2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 11 Dec 2020

      it's ultimately a story about a vast and historical drug war that no one seems to talk about anymore the china-britain relationship is interesting but i find the early groping toward drug policy much more compelling

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    3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 11 Dec 2020

      china is currently trying to balance domestic policy with a drug wave against a balance of trade issue exacerbated by currency controls

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    4. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 11 Dec 2020

      britain is trying very hard to respect china's sovereignty and actually making them angry in the process britain doesnt want to act like theyre enforcing british law in a chinese territory (for british traders), china wants them to for the love of god come get your boys

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    5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 11 Dec 2020

      local british campaigns against opium on social justice grounds came after the slave trade was abolished and the contemporary SJWs had to find something else to do

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    6. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 11 Dec 2020

      people havent figured up drug policy yet but they REALLY didnt have it figured out back then the smart chinese minister wants to legalize and tax opium his opponent wants to kill addicts as deterrance, because "that worked even for the British" (brits did not do this)

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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 11 Dec 2020

      oooh, the emperor just demoted the guy who advocated legalization its on

      11:36 PM - 11 Dec 2020
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        2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 11 Dec 2020

          jesus chinese drug czar gets pissed at the smugglers and decides to send a message by executing a chinese drug smuggler in front of the British quarter this sparks in a riot, british are besieged until rescued by chinese police

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        3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 11 Dec 2020

          the british and chinese governments are both against the drug trade the extremely rich anglo smugglers have a goodbye dinner for a guy who's retiring. the guy gives a speech about how the governments are the real smugglers, man

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        4. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          chinese get fed up with intransigence and literally brick up the british in their housing british trade representative loses it decides to offer to BUY THE DRUGS from the smugglers and give them to the chinese its unclear whether he has the power to make this purchase

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        5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          turns out he does not have this authority uh oh

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        6. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          queen victoria briefly becomes the largest opium owner in the world

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        7. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          loooool the smugglers knew he didnt have authority to make the purchase but they signed it away anyway expecting to be able to sue the government into doing it anyway

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        8. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          british trade rep has absolutely Cracked after exceeding his authority but basically resolving the crisis with the opium purchase, he writes an insane letter to the foreign office asking them to Destroy China

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        9. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          british government gets the letter and sees how much the trade rep promised to pay for, apprently it is absolutely breathtaking they decide it would be cheaper to just go to war

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        10. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          lol british in canton start firing at war junks months before parliament even meets to discuss it this shortly after the drug czar gets permission to kill everyone involved in opium and cuts off water to the english things are escalating quickly

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        11. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          british SJWs opposing the war lionize the drug czar as a symbol of Progress, activists go on at length about how china is really powerful and the british would be fools to fight such a mighty enemy

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        12. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          britains parliament drudges up its resident China Expert, everyone expects him to speak against war, he just yeets out and says "naw fuck them chinese" hes mad about the threats of executing smugglers

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        13. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          what an incredibly stupid mess the six month round trip for messages probably made this possible

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        14. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          eigenrobot Retweeted acid shill

          https://twitter.com/acidshill/status/1337786443649847297?s=19 …

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          acid shill @acidshill
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          this whole story sounds like some dumb shit you’d do in dnd like these aren’t even real people making real decisions
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        15. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          there was an initial attempt at a peace treaty by chinese and british representatives, neither of whom really wanted a war it was FURIOUSLY rejected by both emperor of china and lord palmerston, british foreign secretary, both of whom saw it as too weak for their side sigh

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        16. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          chinese emperor did not think it was worth a major effort to fight the war and didnt do any large-scale mobilization what on earth was he thinking

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        17. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          british just absolutely ruin the coasts the war is depressing, demoralizing to the royal navy sailors who mostly find it pathetic and sad to blow up defenseless chinese coastal cities

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        18. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          eventually the war is won after the whigs are driven from power and the exasperated conservative ministry orders the royal navy to sail up the yangtze and threaten to bombard Nanjing, at which point the Qing capitulate everyone is depressed, mortified about the entire affair

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        19. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          hilariously and i imagine this is often missed, the war was not fought to make sure they could keep selling china opium they didnt even really expect the trade to survive the smugglers certainly didnt want it legalized in china would cut into their comparative advantage

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        20. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          meanwhile in the united states the sjws were comparing opium to slavery, while the south was pointing to opium to demonstrate that in comparison slavery wasnt bad at all

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        21. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          everyone agreed that england sucked though

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        22. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          also we completely ate britains trade during the opium war and everyone in china was pissed at them about blowing up their country so the US advantage continued after as a consequence we won without lifting a finger

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        23. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          afterward we won favorable terms just by bringing some military technology which they had become more interested in but i wonder if chinas weakness was due to not having a civilizational concept of a "technology level" (is this possible?)

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        24. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          like maybe if you spend a lot of time with consistent technology maybe you don't really consider that other things are not just "different" but "qualitatively superior" i have no idea whether this is true

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        25. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          apparently the western contemporary conception of the opium war as the west just forcing opium down chinas through was an early 20C chinese nationalist propaganda effort chinese writers didnt associate it with opium until 1910

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        26. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          eigenrobot Retweeted Passacagliostro

          this was actually the first case of china using western media as propaganda outlets (I do not say this critically) the drug czar was complaining to victoria about her unwillingness to help in the chinese drug warhttps://twitter.com/passacagliostro/status/1337962320555859970 …

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          https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1839lin2.asp …
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        27. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 12 Dec 2020

          anyway hell of a book in the end, the layering on of a Message is working to its detriment went from liminal to superliminal at times but the history is masterfully done

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