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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Dec 2020

      just listened to a podcast where glenn loury interviews james heckman (!!!) about racial economic outcome differences specifically around iq vs (other things) if you're a patron I'd recommend listening, else wait until it drops on @bloggingheads in a few days got me thinking

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    2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Dec 2020

      Heckman's thing is basically emphasising the importance of what you might call moral development (contra two other major narratives about causes of outcome differentials, IQ and oppression) in some ways this is the most appealing story one could tell

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    3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Dec 2020

      african americans aren't doing badly because there are systematic and invariant differences in ability, and white people dont hate them in any way that matters what a nice story!

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    4. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Dec 2020

      eigenrobot Retweeted eigenrobot

      i will not be discussing the relative merits of these stories and will take a moment to point at my pinned tweethttps://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/967114911401652225?s=19 …

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      everything 👏 is 👏 monocausal 👏 and 👏 specifically 👏 results 👏 from 👏 whatever 👏 shit 👏 I'm 👏 on 👏 about 👏 at 👏 any 👏 given 👏 time
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    5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Dec 2020

      what dawned on me fairly quickly as Heckman went along was that in fact this is at Least as dark as the other stories and possibly moreso

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    6. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Dec 2020

      the first issue is probably well covered but it runs roughly "well what you're more or less saying is that black people are terrible parents and communities, utterly failing to raise their children" good luck with that implicit messaging

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    7. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Dec 2020

      the second is that all of the policy solutions are unspeakably horrifying Heckman goes on and on about how valuable a good mother is to a child, how this work is underappreciated lets suppose this is true what do you suggest we do? find new, better mothers for black kids?

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    8. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Dec 2020

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      very quickly this seems to run into horrific state interventions and speaking of that let me point you to the track record of the state on surrogate childrearinghttps://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/1328922229438959616?s=19 …

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      every time @selentelechia tells me stories about the foster system I think to myself "boy i want the state to have more say in the raising of my children"
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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 5 Dec 2020

      anyway i ended up less optimistic about solving achievement gaps than i was when I started

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        2. ThePeoplesElbow‏ @HTTPSNoWhere 5 Dec 2020
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          It's just an extremely large feedback loop, poor education and lack of fathers leads to more poor education and lack of fathers, also i forget who it was but there was another glen Lowry guest who talked about the selective forces causing fathers to leave due to the ratio of

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        3. ThePeoplesElbow‏ @HTTPSNoWhere 5 Dec 2020
          Replying to @HTTPSNoWhere @eigenrobot

          Black men available in the dating pool compared to black woman to incarceration and violence just in a natural selection sense there is less incentive to stay because there is less competition, not saying that is a fact just a interesting take i had never heard

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        2. Jacob Holland‏ @JakeInfactSaid 5 Dec 2020
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          The thing loury, McWhorter, Hughes, Steele, etc seem to try and get at in different ways is that social policy is probably not going to fix racism, historical oppression, and unequal achievement gaps. That there is no monocasual easy villain one can vanquish and solve the problem

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        3. Jacob Holland‏ @JakeInfactSaid 5 Dec 2020
          Replying to @JakeInfactSaid @eigenrobot

          Not C. Murray and advocating state interventions, but looking to empower disenfranchised communities in ways that are less condescending, more directly helpful, and trying to move the perception away from their people as victims lacking agency doomed to eternal underclasshood.

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        1. SQUIRREL OF G_D‏ @MadeInMycelium 5 Dec 2020
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          In an interview about The Bell Curve, Murray once made the point that, in terms of actual policy, environmental differences are almost as hard to ameliorate as genetic ones. I personally suspect genetic equality will come first and then environment will viscously fought over.

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