chapman's histories are very helpful they're kind of hyperlinked all over but worth reading (or reading again) what's interesting to me is that atomization seems to have fallen away; there's maybe more personal atomization, but political Teams seem to be on the rise again (?)https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/1320817247070212096 …
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Huh. I like
@Meaningness, but this doesn't strike me as true, especially on the right side. Like, I don't see much sign the moral majority holds much sway now, except maybe with those who were alive for it. Seems like neoconservatism and nationalism trumped(heh) it.2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
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Yes: the current culture war is not the same as the 70s-80s one. (And the Moral Majority officially declared defeat 20 years ago.) Understanding Culture War I helps understand the causes of Culture War II, though, I think https://meaningness.com/countercultures-fail …pic.twitter.com/cU1F77vJTv
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I guess what I fail to see is many widespread elements of the modern American right that weren't evident prior to the MM, or came after. Judeo-Christian as a concept is the closet i can think of. Doesn't seem like the main figures have had much long term influence either.
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Thought about this some more. I think the current culture war feels more like a Vaisya vs Brahmin thing (in Moldbuggian terms) than something rooted in 60s/70s counterculture, and I guess that's my fundamental disagreement. Current right more hardhat than evangelical.
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Both sides of the culture war portray the other as an evil elite, which they are able to do because in both cases it is true. At some point the American public needs to recognize that the “leaders” *on their own side* are also an evil elite who need to be removed.
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i think i am with you until the end at which point I started wondering what a good elite has looked like in history and drew a bit of a blank effective elites yes but I'm not sure I would much want to live under any of them
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Our current political divide is rooted in the culture war that began with the New Left & hippie counterculture in the 1960s-70s, versus the Evangelical counter-counterculture of the 70s-80s.
To better understand, I wrote a memetic history of that war: