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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 26 Oct 2020

      eigenrobot Retweeted David Chapman

      chapman's histories are very helpful they're kind of hyperlinked all over but worth reading (or reading again) what's interesting to me is that atomization seems to have fallen away; there's maybe more personal atomization, but political Teams seem to be on the rise again (?)https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/1320817247070212096 …

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      David Chapman @Meaningness
      🇺🇸 Our current political divide is rooted in the culture war that began with the New Left & hippie counterculture in the 1960s-70s, versus the Evangelical counter-counterculture of the 70s-80s. To better understand, I wrote a memetic history of that war: https://meaningness.com/countercultures 
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    2. Joe Christman‏ @JoeWChristman 26 Oct 2020
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      Huh. I like @Meaningness, but this doesn't strike me as true, especially on the right side. Like, I don't see much sign the moral majority holds much sway now, except maybe with those who were alive for it. Seems like neoconservatism and nationalism trumped(heh) it.

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 26 Oct 2020
      Replying to @JoeWChristman @eigenrobot

      Yes: the current culture war is not the same as the 70s-80s one. (And the Moral Majority officially declared defeat 20 years ago.) Understanding Culture War I helps understand the causes of Culture War II, though, I think https://meaningness.com/countercultures-fail …pic.twitter.com/cU1F77vJTv

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    4. Joe Christman‏ @JoeWChristman 26 Oct 2020
      Replying to @Meaningness @eigenrobot

      I guess what I fail to see is many widespread elements of the modern American right that weren't evident prior to the MM, or came after. Judeo-Christian as a concept is the closet i can think of. Doesn't seem like the main figures have had much long term influence either.

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    5. Joe Christman‏ @JoeWChristman 27 Oct 2020
      Replying to @JoeWChristman @Meaningness @eigenrobot

      Thought about this some more. I think the current culture war feels more like a Vaisya vs Brahmin thing (in Moldbuggian terms) than something rooted in 60s/70s counterculture, and I guess that's my fundamental disagreement. Current right more hardhat than evangelical.

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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Oct 2020
      Replying to @JoeWChristman @Meaningness

      I've been thinking about it more and I'm wondering if it's a longer, deeper sort of fight that doesn't have a name but occurs over and over again in history under different guises, and the pre-60s US was unusually free of it (for Reasons)

      8:28 AM - 27 Oct 2020
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