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    eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

    think I noticed something may actually be wrong (or worse, boring) but some of you may find it useful

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      2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

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        I was just shaving my chest when I started ruminating on this convo with @SimianSunny I think there's something interesting here The idea of classifying groups by the method of generating knowledge or evaluating information Epistemological Cultures https://twitter.com/SimianSunny/status/1304605898153897984?s=19 …

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      3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        I think this class of exercises is (i) a major strand of what a lot of rats and adjacents are up to, and (ii) sadly, suddenly very socially important

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      4. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        (i) first Greater Rationality /does/ have a bunch of rarefied--I won't call them insular, that's not quite right--ideas about epistemology

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      5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        I was never much of a LW Rationalist, and I won't try to characterize their approach, but historically they've liked things like conceptual Bayesianism, prediction tracking, and timeless decision theory, whatever that is And they spent a lot of time thinking about Bias

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      6. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        Postrats as I understand the grouping (ymmv) by contrast were--this is one framing--less interested in specific methods than the means by which methods are selected. I shall give some examples.

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      7. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        .@Meaningness has a pretty core outline of one framework here, mulling the nature and generation of a fluid mindset; an emphasis on system selection, rather than within-system optimization you might analogize this with game theory and mechanism designhttps://meaningness.com/metablog/stem-fluidity-bridge …

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      8. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        one thing to draw attention to is that in a sense this is a Kegan 6 (😃) essay: how do we design a system that enables people to develop to think in this metasystematic manner? this will be important in part (ii)

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      9. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        eigenrobot Retweeted Science Banana

        Consider also @literalbanana on something called Indexicality in one sense, the banana's essay is an attempt to suss out where certain systematic epistemology might actually be useful, and where systems are actually inimical to understandinghttps://twitter.com/literalbanana/status/1222019385834950656?s=20 …

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        a blog post written by a literal banana explaining indexicality https://carcinisation.com/2020/01/27/ignorance-a-skilled-practice/ …
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      10. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        eigenrobot Retweeted Science Banana

        here is a shorter summary of that essay, it may help to consider this before diving inhttps://twitter.com/literalbanana/status/1222516132759793664?s=19 …

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        every seemingly innocent fragment of information is secretly plotting how to escape its context and cause trouble
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      11. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

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        a lot of what we seem to agonize over, as well, is how to avoid dying of brain worms thinking Clearly about information systems seems necessarily subjective(??), and doing this well is difficult in an environment rife with hostile self-aware entitieshttps://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/967114911401652225?s=19 …

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        everything 👏 is 👏 monocausal 👏 and 👏 specifically 👏 results 👏 from 👏 whatever 👏 shit 👏 I'm 👏 on 👏 about 👏 at 👏 any 👏 given 👏 time
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      12. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        (I link myself only for variety, everyone should be aware that banana is the OG and respected as such)pic.twitter.com/OgiPZTBByo

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      13. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        (ii) why does any of this shit matter well maybe it doesnt hammer, nail, etc but it does seem to me that we are suffering a certain sort of epistemological crisis

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      14. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        looping back to the motivating conversation: it seems to me that we are very much in a sort of epistemological interregnum traditional Knowledge Authorities--universities, media, religion--have lost the mandate of heaven

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      15. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        i can imagine at least two causes one I talk about here with @collinofzion--this is an old story, but its simply a printing press-to-Reformation analogue universities and media authority relied on distributional barriers, and the Internet broke thosehttps://youtu.be/Gey0RPfR0kQ 

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      16. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        this has been building for a while, and is arguably even older than the internet--look at the proliferation of alternate right media in the 80s, or underground left media in the 60s and 70s the internet and social media in particular blew everything wide open, tho

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      17. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        covid has been a second and acute disaster for traditional information authority experts fucked it up their mandate was to predict, prevent, and mitigate this sort of unusual event and they failed they failed embarrassingly badly and others did not fail

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      18. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        things like the replication crisis and rampant politicization have been eating away at institutional academic authority for a while, but that was mostly inside baseball and a slow boil compared to fucking up covid you_had_one_job.jpg

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      19. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        in summary this is what I am thinking is a major social role of our corner of twitter our epistemological system is broken; the mandate of heaven is up for grabs @wesyang talks about a successor ideology, but i am more interested in the successor epistemology

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      20. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        its not just a matter of algorithms or methods; its the design of institutions and platforms that teach and propagate such methods, their staffing, and their propagation humans and robots are the substrates for and originators of memes this is in short a cultural question

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      21. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 13 Sep 2020

        so: yes rationalists and adjacents have weird knowledge generating systems this is absolutely the time for that kind of metaexploration let us fuck around and find us

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