My sense is that the real reason you don't want to like circling is not because it's a hippy cult or manipulative or touchy feely, but because it's about legibility. So are many other Rationalist things like polyamory and CFAR and making bets on object level things.
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there is some of that--i am very suspicious of legibility otoh i owe someone $20 thank you for reminding mehttps://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/1288199215122849792?s=19 …
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By and large, rats are happy if others understand them better, especially if it lets you understand yourself. Post rats are prob worried this makes you vulnerable to predators? I think that being weird protects against predators, as is being legible to friends for coordination.
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There's some of that Some of it is just a neurotype, probably Partly some illegibility is socially load-bearing A lot of it is that object-level legible expression is typically expensive and inefficient relative to metalegible expression
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Ask and Tell Culture are very popular but Guess Culture works better in an attuned group
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My general view of this is that people are 90% illegible to each other, with rats it's maybe down to 80%, not 10%. That's why everyone loves a good "guesser" who anticipates your desires, even nerds. We're not actually robots with a source code one can read
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I think people are quite a lot more interpretable than that! But it doesn't usually translate to a legible model so easily Like, I bet you could make a good guess about how your close friends would behave in a wide variety of situations; acquaintances in a good many; and so on
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But if you were to sit down and try to explain your reasoning for your prediction you'd probably end up with a bunch of just-so stories, or stray anecdotes that don't pass any kind of empirical test Hardly anything that you could translate to a general model
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(I could be completely wrong about this, I probably interpret other people differently than . . . other people)
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For me anyway there are a lot of things that work perfectly well or even better in an inchoate or cryptic mode than they do when I try to rigorously demonstrate my reasoning, and often the demonstration is actually a little painful and "feels fake"
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Hm
@selentelechia curious what you make of this conversation if you have a minute, you might have some kind of medial inferential position here
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One of the positive qualities of guess culture is that it involves a lot of face-saving plausible deniability.
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Yes! And more generally communication happens on a variety of meta levels Explicit words, tone, the usual stuff But also which parts you elide, which things you incongruously include hard to make legible but it's like communicating on multiple spectra vs just one
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