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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Aug 2020

      The year is 2045 Protesters in the United States are expressing their discontent by burning down random businesses and blocking freeways Do you support this form of protest?

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    2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Aug 2020

      Surprise! Its the Westboro Baptist Church led by Fred Phelps re-reanimated corpse and theyve moved beyond protesting funerals

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    3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Aug 2020

      Suppose #BLM were to abandon arson, assault, and traffic violations and simply peacefully protested at police funerals That would be ok right?

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    4. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Aug 2020

      Suppose #BLM moved to peacefully protesting outside of hospitals that treat injured police w/ signs showing horrifying gory images of police murders of kids and pets to pressure hospitals to stop treating police No one could object to this protest form right?

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    5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Aug 2020

      I genuinely dont have a point Just trying to map out tribalism vs systematic approaches to protest validity evaluation and what that even means The whole space feels pretty underconsidered and discourse around it is awful

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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Aug 2020

      this especially because protests are intrinsically transgressive "When is transgression not Bad transgression" "well when its Good transgression" ok well then Im not attacking anyone with this its just hard to work past this knot internally Hm

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        2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Aug 2020

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          This is pretty helpful on one dimension although I don't think it's a systematic resolution itself Showing up at (eg) a private residence of a public figure feels like a massive escalation over protesting that figure's office Hm. Its an angle. https://twitter.com/TieCrimes/status/1299016444345233408?s=19 …

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        3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Aug 2020

          Maybe another useful angle is separating "protest" from "insurrection," which at least makes protest evaluation relatively straightforward (private vs public space, former to be deprecated) but leaves one with the problem of evaluating insurrection validity

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        4. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Aug 2020

          Insurrections seem less a matter of principle and more a matter of politics. Do I support the aims of the insurrection? Is it likely to succeed in its aims? Are the costs of the insurrection worth the benefits, in expectation? These may and must be evaluated casewise (good).

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        5. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Aug 2020

          What are the weak points of this taxonomy? I think I like it and it solves a lot of motte/bailey issues in rhetoric that maybe have been dominating lately, and while there are some issues around bright dividing lines I think in practice they're relatively minor.

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        6. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 27 Aug 2020

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          And my sincere apologies to @MusingsOfYouth for dismissing his idea before ultimately adopting it wholesalehttps://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/1254995823718313984?s=19 …

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          do i contradict myself? very well. I am large, I contain two wolves
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        2. Alex Godofsky‏ @AlexGodofsky 27 Aug 2020
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          not all transgression is the same, rudeness versus violence

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        3. Matthew Skala  💉 💉‏ @mattskala 27 Aug 2020
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          Matthew Skala  💉 💉 Retweeted David Burge

          Burge's comment is evergreen:https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/857589475836399616 …

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          David Burge @iowahawkblog
          Campus creeps in a nutshell: "your words are the same as violence, our violence is the same as words."
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        2. Franz Fakka‏ @FakkaFranz 27 Aug 2020
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          I dont mind protests even though they achieve very little as long as they dont infringe on others wants and needs what makes it harder than *this* for you? crash a funeral? bad want to stop ppl getting healed? bad block a road? bad stand around wave sign + no violent msg? good

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        3. Franz Fakka‏ @FakkaFranz 27 Aug 2020
          Replying to @FakkaFranz @eigenrobot

          i havent attempted to abstract the act of protesting itself further than this because this answer is satisfying to me even though there might be grey areas. if you have some sort of higher abstraction insight that's meaningful then id hope youd share/challenge me on this

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        2. philemon‏ @phil49472744 27 Aug 2020
          Replying to @eigenrobot

          this is not really eigenstyle bc I am trying to make a point but if everything about the blm protests/riots were the same except they were done by white nationalists: same windows smashed, same buildings torched, same stores looted, does your opinion of them change?

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        3. ice9‏ @__ice9 27 Aug 2020
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          At least there would be actual riot suppression in that case.

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