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    1. mechanical monk‏ @mechanical_monk 11 May 2020
      Replying to @eigenrobot

      hm maybe Thinking Fast and Slow? contingent on future developments, Superintelligence

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    2. R.P.‏ @ResonantPyre 14 May 2020
      Replying to @mechanical_monk @MechanicalMonk1 @eigenrobot

      here's link to the Gigerenzer paper that articulates some of the critiques of "bias" as articulated by Thinking Fast and Slow crowd I believe @nosilverv was referring to. I found it very convincing, especially paired w my reading of Seeing Like a State. https://www.nowpublishers.com/article/OpenAccessDownload/RBE-0092 …

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    3. R.P.‏ @ResonantPyre 14 May 2020
      Replying to @ResonantPyre @MechanicalMonk1 and

      Here's the abstract if you don't want to read the whole paper, though just know I found it very convincing and undermined the importance of a good deal of the material in Thinking Fast and Slow. I guess I'm still curious how much the System 1 vs System 2 thinking holds uppic.twitter.com/fbajoCVHXK

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    4. R.P.‏ @ResonantPyre 14 May 2020
      Replying to @ResonantPyre @MechanicalMonk1 and

      since they don't criticize that here at all, necessarily. maybe the implicit critique is that System 1 thinking is more automatically logical and less different from System 2 than people might think, just very contextual (which makes many 'biases' they point out not so)

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    5. Kabelo Moiloa‏ @11kilobytes 14 May 2020
      Replying to @ResonantPyre @MechanicalMonk1 and

      @kevin_dorst does research on this topic from a philosophical perspective (what does heuristics + biases, bayes, etc. really say about human reason IRL, when can we justify very strong "humans are irrational" conclusions?). Here is his manifesto: https://www.kevindorst.com/stranger_apologies/plea_for_political_empathy ….

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    6. Kevin Dorst‏ @kevin_dorst 15 May 2020
      Replying to @11kilobytes @ResonantPyre and

      Thanks for the shout out! I’m definitely sympathetic to similar themes as gigerenzer, though I would disagree on a lot of the details of how a defense of rationality should go. Haven’t seen this recent paper of his so will check it out!

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    7. R.P.‏ @ResonantPyre 15 May 2020
      Replying to @kevin_dorst @11kilobytes and

      quite compelling 'manifesto'. Look forward to hearing this project articulated more, I subscribed to newsletter. I wonder how much irrationalism is a new phenomena and/or a new articulation of an age old phenomena to assume the worst of ones opponents in the easiest way

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    8. R.P.‏ @ResonantPyre 15 May 2020
      Replying to @ResonantPyre @kevin_dorst and

      If I had to guess, I would say that in the unspecified past, it was more likely for people to directly leap to matters of good and evil, ill intention before trying to say that their political opposition was simply irrational, mistaken, etc. But I'm not confident without research

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    9. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 15 May 2020
      Replying to @ResonantPyre @kevin_dorst and

      It originated as a bit of a reaction inside economics against the rationalism (in a strictly defined sense) that's used as an assumption to simplify mathematical models of human behavior.

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    10. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 15 May 2020
      Replying to @eigenrobot @ResonantPyre and

      Ppl realized they could get published if they did some clever experiments clearly proving people often violate these convenient axioms This was mostly irritating because everyone knew the assumptions were wrong they just don't matter in practice, for the most part

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      eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 15 May 2020
      Replying to @eigenrobot @ResonantPyre and

      very quickly this spread from "people sometimes prefer A to B, B to C, and (violating out somehow-defined rationality) C to A! Haha isnt that funny" to "people are just dumb af and thats why we need a daddy state"

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        2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 15 May 2020
          Replying to @eigenrobot @ResonantPyre and

          im not mad

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        3. R.P.‏ @ResonantPyre 15 May 2020
          Replying to @eigenrobot @kevin_dorst and

          Sounds like you need a little *nudge* to calm you down... Cursed combination of books in his initial wiki paragraph btw, I was just checking his bio lolpic.twitter.com/MsiTpUaGF3

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        2. Jprwg‏ @jprwg 15 May 2020
          Replying to @eigenrobot @ResonantPyre and

          Hm, re 1: why should we expect that people care that much about A B & C, vs being most interested in just having lots of Opinions, the wackier the better? (eg) (not an original point ofc)

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        3. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 15 May 2020
          Replying to @jprwg @ResonantPyre and

          in the specific case of A B and C, it's an issue in the sense that if people don't do this it's quite difficult to make models of their economic behavior see Mas-Collel Whinston and Green if you want the deets its fine to have /weird/ preferences as long as they fit that frame

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