The Blue culture is consistently blind-sided by the outright hostility and distrust they receive from the Red culture. They think "wtf is wrong with these people? they assume malice all the time and accuse us of lying when we're telling the truth!"
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this is consistent with an Honor culture interacting with a Dignity culture. The Honor culture WILL NOT EVER TRUST a Dignity culture on the terms of Dignity culture. They assume if you're not belligerent you're actually a snake.
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So...what if the Blue culture started practicing Vulcan diplomacy? What if they switched to a stance not just of rhetorical irritation or media narrative manipulation (things the Honor culture disrespects) but actually adopted belligerent footing and started attacking unprovoked?
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The message would be "we see you're still doubting our power and resolve to use it. Fuck you. Eat shit. I will hurt you just because I can." After a few years of this stance there might be opportunity to rapprochement. Or it might become civil war. Either way it would change.
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The current status quo is clearly untenable and might be headed in this direction anyway. What if it was done intentionally? What if Blue culture states started just absolutely viciously attacking Red culture states in every way they possibly can?
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This has been approximately the strategy the Red culture states have been using against the Blue culture states for about 40 years now. When you have an iterated prisoners dilemma the only meta-stable strategy is tit-for-tat but the Blue culture is still trying to cooperate.
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Cooperation isn't working. They don't respect it. They don't see it as cooperation but rather as a subtle strategy to lie and manipulate things in their favor. Tit-for-tat is stable because there's only so much pain anyone is willing to endure in an iterated game.
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The current level of tit-for-tat is insufficient. Congressional obstruction, attempts at using "non-partisan oversight", and a media narrative campaign. This ain't cutting it. It will have to be more intense to make a difference. Have to make the wounds hurt more.
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I know this is crazy talk. Please forgive me. I'm not really sure what I'm even advocating here. I feel like we're close to a civil war anyway and the way out is to respect the situation that already exists: open hostility.
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In other words, no peace without justice, no justice without retribution. Dark times.
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how does this calculus change if blue is victim culture
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Replying to @eigenrobot
Blue is a mix of dignity culture and the corruption of that culture which is victim culture. It won't change the calculus. Victim culture is only relevant in internal disputes.
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Replying to @danlistensto @eigenrobot
And anyway, Red is also a mixture of honor culture and victim culture.
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