I'm curious: Where would you put me on this? I think of myself as upper mid based on my income, but it won't hurt my feelings if you think different. (Also, I don't think I'd be upper mid in NYC or SF, simply b/c I sense I wouldn't fit in with upper-mid culture)
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Replying to @politicalmath
Oh good question. I think I would peg you as middle-middle culturally, but with UMC income. This needs additional unrolling, over drinks if you like But what Elevates you is you aren't _trying_ (badly, desperately) to project UMC like these folks are. V powerful wu wei
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Replying to @eigenrobot
"over drinks" is essential b/c I need to puzzle through this whole topic (it's not particularly concrete in my mind) I think your analysis is good... There is this a strain of middle class that sort of "puts on airs", thinking that Vox is UMC when it actually is not
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Replying to @politicalmath @eigenrobot
Also, I think
@eigenrobot has slightly downshifted views of class. Lawyers are upper middle class, the lady you described wished she was lower upper class (imo)1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes -
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Replying to @politicalmath @eigenrobot
Very nearly definitionally, up until recently.
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Replying to @orthonormalist @eigenrobot
hahaha... Maybe that feeds into this. Almost all the lawyers I know are my age and younger and they went to law school to *become* UMC except the law schools fucked them and now they're MC but with a shitton of debt they'll never climb out of. So... aspirational
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Replying to @politicalmath @eigenrobot
Upper middle class, also known as managerial/professional middle class, is self-directed, highly educated, white collar knowledge workers (mostly). Historically doctors/lawyers/accountants make up a huge portion of it.
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If lawyers are not UMC, I'm not even sure what the subject of the discussion is, besides Americans' pathological need to rationalize how they are middle class, contrary to any evidence otherwise
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Bob Seeger: "I want to be a lawyer, doctor or professor; member of the UMC." I would say UMC are people who still work for a living, but make good money and often are their own bosses. (Professor doesn't fit well here though.)
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not anymore outside a few disciplines
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